Comment on I'll just take the bus

• jyl@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  annoying esoteric vehicle

  You’re making it sound a lot harder and more painful than it is. Do you also judge people who ride a 2-wheeled vehicles that “require attention” for staying balanced?

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• Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Esoteric? I've only encountered a handful of automatic cars in my life here in the UK. Having a licence that only covers automatic has historically been rather limiting here. The only person I know that has that has dyspraxia.

  For me the appeal of a manual transmission is in engine braking. When driving an ICE car I barely need the brakes because the majority of my speed management is through engine braking. Fortunately my electric car has the option for pseudo engine braking - and it charges the battery too!

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  • RepleteLocum@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Automatic cars also have engine braking.

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    • Flamekebab@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      When I've driven an automatic I could only manually set the gears for first and second. I'm sure that's not universal as nothing is, but I can only speak to my own experience.

      I would usually use fourth when decelerating up to a junction and then switch directly to second as I get close, as an example.

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    • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah but it’s not really feasible to use it at every corner and stop like you can a manual car. Engine braking in an auto is mostly just for doing long descents without riding the brakes too much

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      • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Some cars have ‘hard’ regenerative braking but yea, it’s rare

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• IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Because they like it. It’s engaging.

  But it also forces you to pay better attention, I’m just not going to get snippy about it.

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• SacralPlexus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Had a previous car that was manual. Then I bought a car with a CVT (continuously variable transmission) and it’s such a nuisance because it is always unpredictable when it will shift. So you go to pass someone, step on the gas and sometimes it takes off and other times it fiddles with shifting for a second before giving you any power. Can also be a real pain in stop and go traffic because it will have unpredictable amounts of power when starting from a stop. I’ve had this vehicle since 2017 and it’s always been this way. I don’t miss having to shift constantly but I do miss having a reliable amount of power when I’m in a certain gear - that’s what is so nice about a manual transmission. You feel more in control of the car. That said, my daily driver now is electric with no transmission and that is the best of all.

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  • __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Don’t CVTs by definition never/always shift?

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  • JAWNEHBOY@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is your CVT vehicle a Honda? I know Nissan CVTs have had their issues but the Toyota ones have a fixed/real first gear before they switch to the CVT to give you that reliable start from 0 mph/kph.

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    • SacralPlexus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Subaru

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• DaddleDew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  • It is more engaging. Getting a smooth shift or a perfect rev match on a downshift is very satisfying. Shifting gears when your have a car with smooth, very mechanical shifter feels even more satisfying.
  • If you ever have to gun it in an emergency with a manual the acceleration is instant. In an automatic you have to wait a few seconds for the transmission to figure out what gear it wants to be in before anything actually happens.
  • In a manual you feel much more like the car is an extension of you.
  • Going back to driving an automatic usually feels like you’re being handed a children’s toy.

  I guess there can be some elitist mindset to being able to do something that fewer and fewer people can do. But thinking that this is the main reason why people love driving stick is completely ignorant.

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  • 474D@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No automatic takes “a few seconds” to gun it, I think you might be the one with the flawed experience

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    • DaddleDew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Manual: floor it, instant pull. If I want to downshift I will.

      Automatic: floor it, hesitation, downshift, revs go higher but nothing happens because it isn’t sure if it wants to downshift again, hesitation, downshifts, revs go crazy and outside of power band or just at the top end of it, shitty pull, upshifts almost right after. Finally some pull.

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      • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        One of the first cars I ever drove was the family turbo v6 Chevy box van with an auto (column shifter, the best kind for autos). Thing could seat 12 and handled like a stack of mattresses, but I’d crush the gas pedal into the floor and that thing would pull surprisingly well - after 2-3 business days. Between the transmission taking it’s time to pick just the right gear and the turbo spooling up I could literally punch it and go “one Mississippi two Mississippi three mississi-” VVVVRRRROOOOOMMM. The delay was so prominent that it actually came full circle and became hilarious and fun to drive, one of the only autos I really liked.

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      • AngryMob@lemmy.one ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Are any of those countless cars ones that have any sort of sport mode? Because i only experience that in cars with no modes or eco modes. Which is a fair enough critique i guess, but also, theyre eco cars for a reason. Nobody cares what happens when you floor it in an eco box while its already upshifted and cruising.

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      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The only time I had a delay was when I had a car that took half a second for VTEC to kick in, I’ve never had an automatic that took SECONDS to go vroom

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  • gedhrel@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The “satisfaction” is probably novelty. UK/EU, nobody thinks about it.

    I think there’s a kind of fetishisation of manual transmission in the US. Like your emergency scenario: I guess if you need to accelerate away from 30-50 feral hogs then you might welcome it.

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    • DaddleDew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve been driving for over 20 years, still enjoy driving manual. But some people never enjoy driving and see it as a chore, I guess you must be one of them.

      And “emergency” is just when you need acceleration now. Like for when you overtake someone or are merging on the highway.

      Also I know America bashing is popular on this website but you just came across as prejudiced and ignorant. And FYI I’m not even American.

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• 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Most people have manual cars in the UK. Automatics are the weirder, more esoteric ones to us.

  I think it’s more or less a cultural thing at this point

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  • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I heard that automatic cars were more common in the USA but idk if that’s true

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    • stankmut@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nearly 98% of cars sold in the US are automatic. Manual transmissions are often not even an option for a lot of models.

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      • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That explains it then! Thanks :)

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• BootLoop@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s more enjoyable is the main thing. It’s more fun to drive a manual car to many people and that’s their appeal. There are a few other advantages to it as well. They’re generally more reliable and have better fuel economy and performance than automatics that were offered until the 2010s.

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• BorgDrone@lemmy.one ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve tried to drive manual vehicles and it just required way too much of my attention for what should be a simple means of conveyance.

  Driving a manual doesn’t require any more attention than an automatic. Here almost everyone learns in a manual and by the time you get your license it’s something you don’t need to think about.

  If you’re used to manual, driving an automatic for the first time is a pretty scary experience. Half the controls you need to operate the car are missing.

  It’s not an elitism thing as almost everyone drives a manual. My late mom drove a manual at 72, including dragging a big caravan all across Europe.

  Used to be that the only people who drove an automatic were people with (mental) health issues. If you got a manual-only license it used to have a big stamp across it that said ‘AUTOMATIC ONLY’. If you got one of those as a physically healthy 18yo it might as well have said ‘RETARDED’, as that would have been the only reason to get one.

  Nowadays with electric cars becoming more common having an automatic-only license has become socially acceptable.

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  • ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s weird to me that y’all don’t appreciate the convenience of advancing technology.

    It’s like going “only mentally disabled folks use microwaves, the rest of us light the wood stove and let it simmer for a half hour”

    Especially when Europe is known for its electric kettles, which are only recently becoming common in the US, who have traditionally used range-heated kettles.

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    • BorgDrone@lemmy.one ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s weird to me that y’all don’t appreciate the convenience of advancing technology.

      You’re operating from the incorrect assumption that an automatic is more convenient while it isn’t.

      Try this: stand up, walk to the other side of the room and back. Was that inconvenient? Did you have to consciously place your legs and think about how to use your feet? No. You just want to go in a certain direction and your legs just move without you needing to think about it.

      Driving a manual is the same. You don’t consciously operate the gearbox, you just drive. Shifting gears doesn’t require conscious thought. An automatic isn’t convenient, quite the opposite, as it gives you less control.

      Why don’t you use a wheelchair? Surely rolling around is more convenient than balancing on two legs? It’s because balancing on two legs isn’t actually that inconvenient once you learned how. It was when you were a baby, but we help babies learn to walk instead of putting them in a wheelchair. Same goes for driving a manual. Once you learn to a point where you no longer need to think about it, it’s more convenient than an automatic.

      It’s like going “only mentally disabled folks use microwaves, the rest of us light the wood stove and let it simmer for a half hour”

      Good analogy. Now go microwave a steak while I cook one over a wood fire, which steak do you think will turn out the most delicious?

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      • ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Try this: stand up, walk to the other side of the room and back

        I mean, I have spondylitic arthritis, but okay. (Luckily I got on the good meds again.)

        which steak do you think will turn out the most delicious?

        Ah but the question wasn’t quality, it was convenience.

        Even if you argue that after a while the less convenient becomes familiar, that doesn’t really mean it was more convenient, it was just not inconvenient for you. But I have to say even if you’re a seasoned manual driver, not having to shift every 25mph is arguably more convenient than having to, even if you’ve gotten used to it.

        People got used to climbing stairs, doesn’t mean we stopped using elevators.

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    • Kornblumenratte@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Actually there used to be another, more important reason:

      Back in the old days, automatic transmissions accelerated pretty slowly. It was not possible to accelerate normally – or what we thought to be normal. No one in their right mind would pay ~5–10 % more (automatic transmissions used to be expensive) to get a lame car and annoy everybody at every traffic light. I don’t know when automatic transmissions got as fast as manual shifting, but this memo hasn’t reached Europe yet.

      And, last but not least, and only still valid argument: automatic transmissions are still more expensive than manual ones. Why should I pay extra money for some fancy tech with no extra benefit that takes away my illusion of control and feels horrible to drive?

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      • ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        automatic transmissions are still more expensive than manual ones

        Is it still though? I dare say it is becoming increasingly common (in the US) that in order to get a manual transmission you have to make a special order.

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• 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s just more fun dude. Manual transmissions make shitty cars bearable, and nicer cars exhilarating. Plus I really like having that direct control over the car. Plus they tend to be more reliable and cheaper to repair. There’s not much else too it.

  I’ve tried to drive manual vehicles and it just required way too much of my attention for what should be a simple means of conveyance.

  That just means that you haven’t developed the muscle memory yet, you had that same learning period with every other aspect of driving, operating a manual transmission is just one more. So you know, if you’re serious, practice.

  I’ve been driving manuals exclusively for so long that I actually have the opposite problem, In the rare situations that I need to drive an auto, I have to be super careful and mindful. I’ve literally stabbed the brake before in an auto with my left foot instinctively looking for the clutch, so I have to conciously keep that foot still.

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• FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I believe they’re just cheaper and technically they allow you to get a bit more from your car, but yea apart from that, not much

  In some countries there are more manual cars so I get them, but trashing on automatic is just dumb. It’s much more enjoyable.

  Disclaimer: I have an automatic driver license, and no manual driver license haha

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  • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    having to remember less could make you more focused on the road.

    On contrary, in my opinion. Especially in cities, where manual forces me to anticipate the next turn, light or other drivers. Automatic makes me zone out and focus on everything but driving.

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    • __nobodynowhere@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      ADHD?

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      • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not that I know of.

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    • FireIced@lemmy.super.ynh.fr ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Okay, didn’t think this would happen

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• ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  At some point in time it was argued that manual allowed finer control of engine efficiency to automatic which simply shifted at certain speeds or rpms that weren’t always ideal. So properly driving a manual meant you saved gas.

  I dare say in the decades since that argument began, automatic transmissions have gotten way better and reasonably as efficient as the average manual driver.

  Also, when manuals were more generally common, they were generally cheaper than automatics. I don’t know if that’s true anymore, but I think the average person will have a hard time finding a manual new (consumer grade) vehicle in any given dealership in the US these days – you’d have to get it ordered.

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• SW42@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I like automatics but I have driven manuals all my life and I prefer them especially in the winter when encountering icy roads. And I like overtaking with manuals more because I have control over the rev range and torque. If I were to live in a mild climate with lots of wide multi lane roads I’d get an auto for sure.

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