Comment on Amazon anti Union propaganda

SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Spuddaccino@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  For union dues, I’ll sometimes bring up strikes. People know that when unions strike, they aren’t working, and when they aren’t working, they aren’t getting paid. What they don’t realize is that most unions pay the employees during strikes, and that money has to come from somewhere.

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  • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re literally partially making sure you still get PAID when shit happens.

    Very good point, and I honestly wonder how common that knowledge even is.

    Then again, almost all anti-union propaganda hinges on people not knowing enough about the subject to call it out. As with most propaganda.

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    • Gyrolemmy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I personally never realized that striking employees get paid for time they were on strike. Kinda seems weird if you ask me. Like they didnt do any work and what if the company had someone else fill their spot. Seems like that wouldn’t really make sense.

      Perhaps if the union end of strike terms were to fill backpay then it makes sense.

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      • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Hmm. It’s been a thing for every union I’ve been a part of, but it makes sense it wouldn’t be ALL of them that do it. I’m sure some just simply aren’t large enough to do it like that.

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    • Touching_Grass@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I would be worried the Union management isn’t corrupt though.

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      • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s something to worry about in every arena that involves money, not just unions. It’s just a fact of life that there are crooks and liars in the world.

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      • phobiac@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No concerns about the company management being corrupt and working against your interests, though?

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      • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        so get involved and make sure it isn’t? tell people if you think the management is corrupt so they can be tossed out on their ass.

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  • magnetosphere@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I honestly did not know that. I’ve been wondering how, for example, UAW workers can afford to strike for weeks.

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    • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The downside is that you won’t get paid as much as you would working. My union pays $200 a day to anyone on a picket line, but as a strike goes on, the money starts to run out.

      Fortunately it hasn’t come to that for us.

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      • Elivey@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Better than getting nothing during that time! $200/day for me would be a lot of money.

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  • CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I know this might not apply elsewhere as I’m in Australia, but I always bring up that your union fees are totally tax deductible so you get it all back at tax time.

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• dojan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s the same people that don’t get socialised healthcare. Union fees are like a tax that’s used to pay people to do work for you, in the case of worker unions, people that negotiate working conditions, benefits, and wages, in addition to lawyers that can both offer legal advice and representation should you be in need of it.

  Here in Sweden we have lots of different unions. We have a tenants union that negotiate rent increases, ensure that landlords do their end of the contract, and will help you with legal proceedings should it be required.

  There are also various “customer owned” institutions, like my bank, insurance company, and the grocery store I get most of my groceries from. The goal isn’t necessarily massive profits, but enough to sustain and develop the services, with surplus going back to the owners, that is the customers.

  It just makes sense. We all make use of schools as children, so funding that with taxes makes sense. It ensures everyone gets a good education, and at least one good meal per day. Same thing applies to healthcare.

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  • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My mother WORKS IN HEALTHCARE as the intermediary for the hospital network and the insurance companies.

    She literally sees the Financials of people every fucking day.

    And still she thinks socialized Healthcare would tank the entire US. I’ve shown charts, studies, anecdotal evidence out the wazoo (which is where anecdotal evidence usually comes from) But no, I can’t possibly be right about this, it would mean someone who got stabbed will have to wait on 600 people with the sniffles to be seen by a doctor in 6 months. Because I guess in socialized medicine, triage doesn’t exist? You can’t logic someone out of a position they didn’t logic themselves into.

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    • amio@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It's always hard to get someone to realize a fact that would damage their paycheck.

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      • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’ve actually talked to some health insurance drones that told me they’d gladly be out of a job due to universal healthcare.

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    • dojan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think the system would change that much, save for insurance companies not having a say in the healthcare a patient receives. It’s ridiculous that insurance companies come before the health of the patient.

      Here in Sweden, if you have the sniffles, you don’t see a doctor. There’s nothing a doctor can do for you. If you get really ill, you go to the ER. Assuming you’re not actively dying, someone who gets stabbed will absolutely go before you. The ER doesn’t operate on a first-come-first-serve basis. If you come to the ER with the sniffles you’ll get to wait for a long-ass time, and at most they’ll send you home with some antipyretics and a suggestion to book a time at a clinic if your problems persist.

      There are obviously issues. Gods do we have issues. In general though, the quality of care here in Sweden is ranked higher than that of the U.S.

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      • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Honestly I don’t see how it could be LOWER. I have a very dim view of the US Healthcare system, particularly where insurance companies are concerned.

        Why do the surgery that only has a 93% chance of success that will give the person use of their legs, that costs $250,000 when a $300 wheelchair will get them from A to B.

        Given that I have had to wait MONTHS for an appointment before, and my primary care Dr I have to schedule 2 months in advance, when people complain that they’ll have to wait longer than a week to see a doctor I wonder who they fucked over to get Healthcare that quickly.

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    • porkins@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My problem with paying more taxes so everyone gets healthcare is that I put in the work, so that I get to see premium doctors. The socialized system lowers the incentive for their to be a spectrum of quality care. Instead you get the government standard, which is going to be like the DMV of healthcare. You are getting as good as can be what is offered to all, which is the antithesis of a capitalist system where your benefit from the fruits of your labor with a variety of options. The person on welfare with ten kids and no job shouldn’t get access to the same doctors as me, a working professional who knows not to have kids until I can afford them.

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      • TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Gross.

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      • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        why do you hate poor people

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      • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What a long winded way to say “I am a piece of shit who likes to see others suffer, because feel I am superior.”

        Either you stand to unfairly gain from the current system, or you’re an idiot who not only listens to companies like Walmart tell you about “welfare queens” but buys it hook line and sinker.

        Or you’re a troll, I guess.

        Because if you think what you pay in premiums is less than what you’d pay with properly managed universal healthcare, you’re simply stupid. Not ignorant, stupid. Unable or unwilling to learn.

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      • dojan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        My problem with paying more taxes so everyone gets healthcare is that I put in the work, so that I get to see premium doctors.

        The U.S. spends the most on healthcare in the world, yet doesn’t have as good quality of healthcare as most countries with socialised healthcare. I get what you’re saying, and even ignoring the obvious social issues it raises, the system you’re defending just doesn’t work unless you’re obscenely rich.

        If you’re on Lemmy I don’t think you’re obscenely rich.

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      • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Everyone else is (rightly) shooting on you for hating poor people. And there is some validity to what you’re saying about some portion of the poor adults you’re talking about. So the question you should be looking at is, “How do I get there to be less poor people?” Sure you could suggest a modest proposal, or you could promote ideas to minimize those poor children growing up to be poor adults. So what things make poor kids grow up to be poor adults? Well, the three biggest you’re going to see are lack of education, poor health and nutrition, and poor housing security. If you look at the numbers for anywhere else in the world, you’ll see that unless you’re fabulously wealthy you will generally see better health outcomes from universal healthcare, and it will probably cost you less, too. Properly funding public education is another key factor in making sure those poor kids have every chance to not be poor adults. Whiles you’re at it, keep funding those school lunch programs. Don’t worry, for every dollar spent on those, the economy sees multiple dollars of improvement. Housing can get a bit expensive, and even if you just did those other two, you would be doing a lot to reduce the number of poor kids who grow up to be poor adults. Now, if you were so outrageous as to propose police reforms to the point where the kids are less afraid of the cops than they are of the local gangs, that might be a benefit, too. Granted, none of this is quick or easy.

        When it comes down to it, poor people are always going to cost something to deal with. You can worry about health, education, housing and social assistance, or you can worry about policing, jail, and supports and corrections for children. Neither option is free.

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• Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I will gladly pay a union.

  Always worth it. Workers unite! ✊️

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• STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And if the US educational system continues the way its going then you all are going to get more people who turn their noses up at unions because they lack the intellectual capacity to release that the short term loss in revenue will lead to long term benefits.

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  • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve had to explain how tax brackets work to my parents multiple times. And my mother was a math substitute teacher for over a decade before quitting because educational work isn’t worth the bullshit for little pay.

    I will always vote for increased education budgets.

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  • subignition@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pretty sure it's been in that territory for a dozen years or two already. 😞

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• BeefPiano@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can you provide a link to the cards so we can print them too?

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  • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When I get home, I’ll work on making a normal printable version!

    I have a few hobby machines that do special things, so I have it scattered into a few files to make it go from one machine to the next.

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  • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hoping that you find them.

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• cybermass@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I found the best comment on lemmy

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• intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Did your union negotiate you a 15% raise?

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  • SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Did my union I joined when I got the job get me 15% more than the others already working there?

    No.

    Did I immediately get a little over 15% compared to similar job listing’s in the area, AND more than 18% more than my previous job?

    Yes.

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