CP2077’s story is nice but short (for an RPG these days) but the meat is in the world and side missions.
HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I wish there were more new sci-fi RPGs of that quality.
I do hear CP2077 is good and I keep meaning to play it.
TBH I’ll probably end up enjoying Starfield once I get around to try it as well.
Jumi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 days ago
As I’ve grown older and busier, I now prefer shorter games. Even when I intentionally try to play games, I may get 2-3 hours a week most weeks. A 100-hour campaign takes me a year to play through.
HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Is it one of those “play the whole main story and then focus on the side content” situations or “Save the final mission for later because its a proper ending” situations?
pyrha@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
the latter, the main story’s final quest lets you know before you start it that’s it’s a point of no return (though you can also just reload a save from before you do it)
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 days ago
Doesn’t “nice but short but the meat is in the world and side missions” describe most RPGs nowadays?
Ashtear@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Western-style ones, yeah. High-effort side content is CD Projekt’s MO at this point.
Jumi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I rarely play any new ones to be honest so I’m not sure. CP2077 just feels for me like they didn’t stretch out the main story longer than necessary and put a lot of effort into the world and what’s in it.
ArtemisimetrA@lemmy.duck.cafe 2 days ago
I’ve heard people take that approach with Starfield and still be very disappointed. If it’s space you want and are ok with creating your own story, Elite Dangerous is getting a pretty big revival
pyre@lemmy.world 2 days ago
the difference is cyberpunk has good direction and writing. starfield’s got neither. the problem with cyberpunk wasn’t the core of the game, it was bugs. once they fixed most of those the actual direction and story of the game had a chance to shine through.
starfield’s problem is the exact opposite. it was praised for being less buggy than the average BGS game, which is faint praise, but the problem is that it’s badly designed from the very core. it has bad writing, terrible characters, no direction at all, and no vision. bland, boring and basic. there’s no amount of updates that can fix that. the problems aren’t technical. there’s just no talent there.
HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Its mostly just that I want a Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim with a sci-fi setting. A solid story, lots of side-quests, and a dynamic world that reacts to the player. I’d probably enjoy a modern metropolitan criminal setting as well for an RPG like GTA’s settings but Elder-Scrolls/3D-Fallout gameplay but you never see that at all.
Space is cool though.
Ashtear@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I don’t think it’s a super common opinion, but I really liked Starfield’s main story. That said, it completely fails on the dynamic world front. You might be better off with Cyberpunk for now.
Galle_@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I don’t believe you. That game exists, it’s called Starfield, and it failed specifically because of its sci-fi setting and for no other reason.
pyre@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
fucking lol.
- terrible game design
- zero game direction
- nonsensical script
- not even 2 dimensional characters
- incredibly unlikeable companions
- bad dialog
- fallout 4 style fake choices and railroading, only one way to complete most quests,
- open world" that requires fast travel, completely undercutting exploration
- immersion breaking loading screens for literally everything, even following cutscenes which aren’t used for bg loading for some reason
- spaceship fantasy that barely makes use of the spaceship, it’s just a toy you can decorate but can’t properly pilot, space combat is horrendously bad even though other games nailed it in the fucking 90s
- planet exploration fantasy that breaks planets into tiny chunks even though no man’s sky existed for years
- open world fantasy where discovery is undercut by the fact that the same assets are reused over and over. like not even texture and models randomized to have some variation, but entire buildings copied including the placement of objects inside.
- classic Bethesda style afraid to lock the player out of anything approach that means you have no choices to make, just get through everything in the order you like … be a cop and a thief and a merchant and a cultist and a garbage man why not
- vast space fantasy with a gazillion planets yet you are the center of everything
- scifi universe that doesn’t have means of long distance communication for some reason, needing you to go back and forth between planets just to relay messages
i can go on but got bored.
the fact that you claim that the only problem starfield had was it’s scifi setting when massively successful scifi games like cyberpunk, deus ex, half life, nier, mass effect etc exist just proves you know nothing about video games.
and more specifically your seem to have no idea what people want from rpgs if you even consider starfield to be one worth mentioning, let alone an exemplary one.
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It failed because it was boring.
It famously had people saying “once you get past the first 12 hours, it gets good” it had nothing to do with the setting. The sci-fi setting was literally what drew people to play it in the first place…
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 2 days ago
Yes! BG3 and KC2 devs made amazing games but for some reason decided to have them take place in the most generic, boring medieval/fantasy setting.
I want a pirate RPG, or sci-fi, heck even a hardcore Mario CRPG.
pyre@lemmy.world 2 days ago
shut your whore mouth about faerun
stoned_ape@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I want an Eberron game
pyre@lemmy.world 1 day ago
instead of an actual rpg they went with an mmo and an rts for eberron … idk why
Galle_@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Faerun is garbage. Aggressively bad even for a medieval fantasy settings. No game set in Faerun can be good.
pyre@lemmy.world 2 days ago
literally the best crpg games have been set in faerun
Galle_@lemmy.world 2 days ago
It’s BECAUSE of the generic, boring medieval fantasy settings that they were successful.
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 2 days ago
You are all over this thread. We get it, you dont like medievil fantasy… clearly not a popular opinion.
Galle_@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The problem is that gamers hate anytging that isn’t generic medieval fantasy.
Chemo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Take a look at Exodus.
PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I’ve had cyberpunk since launch and the only thing that has improved is stability. The game is still a hodgepodge of half baked RPG systems, most of which aren’t even necessary to interact with. No amount of polish can change the fact that it’s a turd underneath.
sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
I can tell you haven’t booted the game up recently because they completely redid the perk system and cyberware not too long ago.
CDPR has been atoning for the sin that was their failed launch for years. In my opinion, the game is a good game now.
PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 1 day ago
That was over a year ago and I have. It’s a bandaid on a dumpster.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I found a combat mod completely changed the game for me. By making it brutally damaging instead of so bullet spongy and deleveling it, it simplifies all that crap away. Perks and guns are for play styles, and it lets one enjoy the game instead of worrying about them.