Bold statement. Do you have any examples? I would disagree, but maybe I just don’t quite understand what you meant.
Comment on Germany right now
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days agoSPD and Grüne are helping the rise of fascism too even if it’s not on purpose. Die Linke are the only ones in parliament actually working against it.
Terces@lemmy.world 4 days ago
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
SPD is just standing by not doing anything (except being corrupt), basically silent complicity. The greens are also not clearly positioning themselves against the anti immigrant hatred, but they are still doing much better than the rest imo.
Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
I agree with you on the SPD, but Habeck was pretty fucking clear that Abschiebung is not the way to go. The Linke on the other hand seems great until you see their position on NATO, rearmament, Russia, and Ukraine…
My dad literally voted for Volt instead of Grüne because “the Grüne was to positive about immigration”
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
I see peoples issues with the linke as largely unimportant. Having 9% of the seats taken by nato critical people is a healthy contra to the overwhelming majority that would never dare to criticize their sometimes criticism worthy decisions. If you never have anyone looking at things from an outside perspective the governement will lose touch with reality.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Correctly but, me who is supporting both volt and grüne and even is joining volt in summer, but with volts goal of a united europe,…that seems pretty pro immigration. Not to mention also them wanting easier immigration.
Does your dad know something i dont?
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 days ago
What should the SPD be doing?
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
Behave like social democrats, push to fund infrastructure and school upgrades (instead of defunding them), not have a leading candidate that was involved with the biggest tax fraud scheme in recent history, etc
Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
Both parties, in an attempt to win back AFD voters, are doing more and more of their anti immigrant politics. If you watch any political debates on TV, most of what they talk about is just who wants to deport the most immigrants and who reduced immigration the most.
Terces@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Thanks for the clarification. I would even say that I mostly agree with the sentiment. Immigration has been a pointless discussion for years now and I think no party (except the AFD) actually profited from it. SPD and die Grünen have both failed to disspell the AFD narrative.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Considering that Putin is the biggest fascist threat for all of Europe, your statement is laughable. The Left agree that Putin is doing bad things in Ukraine and other countries but their message is that the domestic social net is more important than Europe’s survival and all weapon deliveries must stop. Let’s talk instead.
If policies were up to them, they’d be helping fascism almost as much as outright Putin sheep
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
It is so fucking sad that the tolerance “paradox” goes all the way to fucking war.
Like you literally have to fight a war against war seekers if you don’t want war. Like fucking hell, why can’t we at least be chill there?
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 3 days ago
How is Putin the biggest fascist threat for Europe? Fascism was literally born in Europe and exported elsewhere, we have Nazi and fascist parties getting consistent growth election after election in basically every EU country.
Believe it or not, Europe isn’t at war with Russia, we should be struggling in favour of diplomacy to reduce both our and their military expenditure… which is hard to do when riding hard the NATO wave. Ffs Europe was building gas pipelines with Russia 3.2 years ago, we’re really still capable of separating ourselves from fascist US, reduce military expenditure with fascist Russia, and take care of our own fascist problems.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Europe isn’t at war with Russia
Yes, we are. From election interference to contamination of drinking water at military bases in Germany, incendiary devices placed on DHL planes, and cutting undersea cables.
we should be struggling in favour of diplomacy to reduce both our and their military expenditure…
Completely naive. Diplomacy only works from a position of strength.
Russia invaded Georgia. No military help, only diplomacy: Led nowhere.
Russia’s 2014 invasion of Ukraine: No military help, only diplomacy. Two Minsk Accords Russia used to build up their military and Russia then happily broke.
reduce military expenditure with fascist Russia, and take care of our own fascist problems.
Russia is part of Europe. Russia is waging genocide in Europe. North Korean soldiers are murdering in Europe. Putin is our fascist problem and people appeasing Putin are also a part of the problem.
Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
I absolutely agree with this, people really seem to not take Putin seriously enough. Putin is already at war with us; he’s literally had people killed in Moabit and invaded Europe. This is not Nato’s fault, it is blatant aggression from Putin, which we need to respond, and should have responded, to accordingly.
AES_Enjoyer@reddthat.com 3 days ago
If attacks to civilian infrastructure and election interference are enough to claim war, Germany should be in the first instance at war with the US and Ukraine according to that logic, given the explosion of the Nordstream (much more important and evident than reported drinking water alteration or whatever you claim of DHL planes with incendiary devices). Also, Ukraine should be at war with the US for its interference in the election process in 2014, where the democratically elected leader was toppled in a blatant west-backed coup.
You know what Georgia and Ukraine have in common? They’re in the Russian sphere of influence area and have been for the past century. What’s happening is that the west keeps meddling in the Russian sphere of influence and Russia responds in the only way it can: militarily. Russia exhausted the possibilities of diplomacy with the west, warned repeatedly of the consequences of western-alignment of Ukraine (which, again, was done antidemocratically in 2014). That’s the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine, because its diplomacy, soft power and interference were weaker than those of the west in maintaining a sphere of influence. Believe it or not, history didn’t begin in 2022.
The EU should stop the US-directed meddling in Russia’s sphere of influence, and start building relations with the countries that are actually sharing a continent with it. It’s just too racist and too subservient to US interests to do so.
Putin is our fascist problem and people appeasing Putin are also a part of the problem.
Putin is a fascist and that’s a problem, but he’s not the one pushing to cut our healthcare and education and pensions budgets, he does that in Russia. He’s not the one threatening our minorities and our women, he does that in Russia. Europe is more than capable of having fascism by itself without the help of Putin, and blaming everything on a Russian conspiracy is, well, a conspiracy. Russia isn’t nearly powerful or influential enough to be mostly responsible for the fascist problem in the EU, there are a lot more material conditions thst give raise to that.
Stop fucking cheering for war. Stop your warmongering attitudes, stop presenting Europe as the fighting ground for WW3, you DO NOT WANT to see war in the EU, and it’s absofuckinglutely not too late to go back.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Not on purpose?
That Baerbock is a horrible warmonger
remon@ani.social 4 days ago
Wanting to disband NATO, withholding weapons from Ukraine and talking to Putin isn’t exactly “working against” fascism. That’s very much the Neville Chamberlain approach … but even he came to his sense after the full scale invasion started. Can’t say the same for Die Linke.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 days ago
NATO is a fascist organisation.
You Germs should know that since they incorporated plenty nazis in the organisation.
www.dispropaganda.com/…/natos-secret-nazi-past
remon@ani.social 4 days ago
Ok Tankie.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 4 days ago
shouldn’t you be beating up anti-genocide protesters while doing the Musk salute?
metaldream@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
Don’t care, I’d rather live under the neolib European governments any day than a Russian shithole. It’s not even a difficult choice. It’s not like there’s some leftist utopia as an alternative.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I’ve got some horrible news for you.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That’s the fascist Banderites you support.
amnesty.org/…/ukraine-activists-at-womens-solidar…
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Campists these days are so funny, because now they’re getting all their opinions from the US state department.
GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 3 days ago
NATO is liberal and that comes with all of the problems of liberals but in what ways has it functioned as a fascist organisation?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 days ago
yanisvaroufakis.eu/…/nato-as-seen-from-one-who-gr…
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Without NATO, we’re going back into the age of territorial conquests and nationalist revenge campaigns. Russia and China aren’t the only countries where this crap is normalized (see Hungary - lot of my fellow Hungarians thinks Slovaks are just Hungarians forced to take up a Slavic language, and in reality they’re just a lost tribe of Magyars called “the Tóths”).
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 days ago
NATO is territorial conquest by the US.
Europe are just vasals.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Had to protect the surplus profits of Capitalism at all costs. A century of wealth needed to be consolidated in the hands of the ubermensch. You know, Mohammed Bin Salmen and Amancio Ortega and Elon Musk.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
So did the warsaw packt. Your point?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 days ago
While the Warhaw pact did have their own limited project paperclip it is a fact it was the west that fully incorporated the nazis into their regime.
The point being they both were anti-communist.
The west also helped escape 1000’s of the worst SS nazi warcriminals (ukranians) and relocated them to Canada.
What was their use?
There is zero equivalence and you can’t find more than some cherrypicked examples.
To the Russians some could be used but were their enemies, unlike the west where they had plenty of fascist sympathisers in Europe or N America.
…substack.com/…/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reic…
“and russia today even has them lead armys again”
LOL is that your claim? Let me say it for you, Ill cherrypick Dimitry Utkin for you bcs because i know where you are going with your argument. A guy from a private militia who is in no way part of the Russian army, as events later made abundantly clear.
You can find individual nazis in almost every country.
Guess who those Russian nazis are fighting for?
telegraph.co.uk/…/russian-neo-nazi-hooligan-who-l…
Ukraine has multible openly fascist batalions like Azov, Sich, Tornado and plenty more.
Where WW2 warcriminals are honored, etc…
And let’s not forget how the west now whitewashes the horrible Navalny, who organised the Russian marches before they were forbidden, a racist making videos of him shooting muslims that he called cockroaches.
A disgusting criminal sold by the west as some brave hero fighting for democracy.
As riculous as saying Azov are totally not nazis anymore bcs they changed their logo.
If only Hitler would’ve done something to his swastika, he could’ve been a brave anti-commie fighter hero.
You haven’t got a leg to stand on.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That’s such revisionist history. Chamberlain wasn’t appeasing Germany, he was aligning with Germany against Communist Russia.
He wasn’t surrendering, he was allying with fascism.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 days ago
Source?
That seems even more revisionist. If anything I’d have expected it from Winston “I believe in Aryan race science” Churchill.
Chamberlain was buying time for rearmament. It wasn’t actually necessary and it was, in fact, pretty fucking stupid because Germany was rearming faster than France and Britain put together, and his betrayal of Czechoslovakia with their fortified border was even more galling in face of it, but the idea wasn’t to ally with Germany as far as I’ve seen anyone claim.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The British spent the entire 1930s claiming that Britain and Nazi Germany will be a bulwark against communism and signed three pacts with Hitler which were all directly against the Soviet Union: the Four Powers Pact meant to exclude and isolate the Soviets, the Naval Agreement meant Germany could have a navy up 35% of the British navy meaning it wouldn’t threaten British empire but every country on the Baltic sea… i.e. the Soviet Union, and finally the Munich Betrayal which was understood to be a gesture of a “free hand” (British diplomat’s words not mine) for Hitler to go east.
In spite of these difficulties Lord Halifax and other members of the British Government were fully aware that the Fuhrer had not only achieved a great deal inside Germany herself, but that, by destroying Communism in his country, he had barred its road to Western Europe, and that Germany therefore could rightly be regarded as a bulwark of the West against BolshevismIn spite of these difficulties Lord Halifax recognized that the Chancellor had not only performed great services in Germany, but also, as he would no doubt feel, had been able by preventing the entry of Communism into his own country, to bar Its passage further West. The Prime Minister held the view that it should be possible to find a solution of out differences by an open exchange of views
When the Soviets liberated Germany they were able to get a huge cache of British diplomatic documents. The Soviets released the above book and Documents And Materials Relating To The Eve Of The Second World War Vol. 2 full to the brim of diplomats praising Nazi Germany as a twin pillar alongside Britain stopping communism.