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Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Bro, where have you been?
And trump saying elon rigged the ballots in Pennsylvania. Even if it were true it’s exactly what I’ve been saying. We are done with free and fair elections and the sooner you dweeebs stop running to the dems to save you the better off we will be.
The real rigging wasn’t at the polls, Democratic and Independent poll watchers didn’t report any significant election irregularities.
The real rigging was via unlimited billionaire funds to fill the media with propaganda (see Firehose of Falsehood), exacerbated by voter roll purges.
Why even manipulate the vote count itself, when you can just effectively brainwash the voters themselves via unlimited propaganda.
Which is partly why they are “banning” China. They want American control over the algorithm and to get rich by making it American owned.
I was hoping they would sell it to Elon so he could turn it into a far-right propaganda platform like he did with Xitter but it seems like they managed to do it anyways lol
I’m sure after the 90 days is up it will end up in musk or zucks hands
I didn’t claim that it was. Trump is signaling his intention, though. He’s going to let the liberal media worl themselves up about how you cannot rig elections then do just that.
I’m not American, so I’m all words and no action in this case. But yeah, we’re all sensing the dread coming from your side of the pond. The tension is so high, you’re basically a camel with the biggest amount of straws on it’s back that I’ve ever seen. And there’s a new straw every week.
It’s an avalanche of straws at this point it’s pretty wild honestly.
the sooner you dweeebs stop running to the dems to save you the better off we will be.
Fucking THANK YOU. Been saying this since 2016.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt for 8 years. 8 fucking years. To see their performance during the last election. For me lending them all my support and walking away with nothing to show for it. Trump back in office and the party still accumulating around some of their most inept members after being so badly defeated in every way shape and form. It’s pathetic. Also it doesn’t matter anymore. Moving forward we should expect elections won’t be free or fair. If there is a way out it’s not through any available route and a new path will have to be made.
They haven’t been free or fair since 2000 when bush and co stole it
If you’re using some lose definition you can go all the way back and time and say the same. Remember 3/4ths compromise. Remember women suffrage. Yea, that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking a putin regime oligarchy.
Sightline@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah let me just vote for… oh wait there’s only 2 god damn parties.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 months ago
There are other parties but people are seemingly too scared to vote for them and would prefer things continue down this path to ruin we’ve been on for the last 40-50 years.
IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
You must be European. I admire your voting system.
But unfortunately, USA runs under FPTP. We do not have European Luxury.
Party A: We will make teeny tiny bit of progress
Party B: We will try to destroy every progress ever made
Party C: We will make a lot of progress
Election Results:
Party A gets 45% of the vote
Party B gets 48% of the vote
Party C gets 6% of the vote
remaining votes are incorrectly marked and therefore invalidated
Under first past the post rules, Party B wins, even when the majority wanted some progress, no matter how small, now the party of regression and destruction are in power.
Good job.
TDLR: Fuck FPTP voting system, we really need ranked choice voting system.
BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
The problem becomes even more stark if you assume parties A and C win 25% and 26%. Heck, let’s make B even more unpopular with a 34-35-31 split. There is an incredible amount of movement required to make a new party dominant and competitive in our fucked up system.
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
“Europe” isn’t a singular country with one voting system.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 months ago
Not European I live in the US.
Counterpoint to this is that you sacrifice your principles and vote Party A and they still wind up losing again and again leaving Party B to run the entire government. Your vote was a throwaway vote anyway, so what would have been the harm in voting Party C?
Perhaps with enough momentum, Party C can reinvigorate the 50% of eligible voters who don’t even bother to show up due to years of disappointment and apathy with both Party A and Party B. How many times are you willing to vote Party A if they keep backing terrible candidates who can’t win, and even when they do by razor thin margins, do little to stem the tide of destruction? What are you gaining out of this system?
I’d argue that your mentality only encourages poor performance out of our electorate and these two parties since they can count on you, and those on the other side, to vote for them regardless of what they do or don’t do, how well or bad they perform, and whatever promises they may or may not keep. What is even the point of voting for candidates when all you’re doing is voting for a specific party? They might as well make the election automatic based on whatever party everyone registers as. What’s the difference?
To me, this mentality is no different than those apathetic voters who sit out every election because all you’re doing is keeping this fucked up system going and expecting things to get better without doing anything different to change the outcome.
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
People are scared to vote for them because of our FPTP voting system.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 months ago
Yeah, well, we see how well that’s working out.
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
I mean, unless you can gut unrealistically broad consensus on which third party to vote for you just get Ross Perot again.
The US system is designed in a way that basically makes 2 parties a hard limit. If you want(ed) finer control than voting for the least worst candidate, you have to consider showing up to primaries and boring activist meetings.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Third parties aren’t an answer and will only strengthen republicans. The only possible course is to steer the democrats out of the ditch. Unfortunately they have built a masonry bunker down in there and this will take some doing. We need about 20-30 more young people to do what AOC did and we’ll be getting somewhere.
Asafum@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Now is literally the time to fight for a new party. We’re 4 years away from a general election, the next elections are local which means its way more realistic and up to all of us to actually go and run with/vote for this “new” party. We have 4 years to work on the message getting a wider spread and even if it doesn’t, we’ll have the Congress if all goes well.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I understand the way you’re feeling. I have been there too. What you should fight for is a new Democratic Party, not a third party that will simply siphon votes from them, helping Republicans. Inagine doing all the work you describe only to realize you’ve been working against yourself the whole time. That’s what would happen.
A new party feels exciting because it’s new and you will have more control over it. But it’s like rushing out to create a “new” road system because of traffic and potholes. I know it’s not exciting but incremental change for the better is a far better use of your energy than thinking you can go out and crate sweeping change by starting a third party.
It’s ultimately just math.
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Did you not just hear me? Free and fair election. What does that mean to you?
Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 months ago
It’s hard to talk to liberals and get them to understand that the system the states has set up means that just voting for the democrats doesn’t change anything. The elections are not fair.
inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Not hard, impossible. Say it with any oomph and you’ll get a ban.
atempuser23@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 2 months ago
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This is what we call briefing friends. Notice how the OP didn’t bother to respond. It’s because the OP is a smurf.
bustAsh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Bernie Sanders ran as a Democratic socialist.