Damn, that’s a lot less than I thought it would cost for everyone to have equal access to healthcare.
If it’s that cheap, why are we denying healthcare to anyone?
White House website publishes a page on "socialism". They think it will scare people to hear that if we tax 1000 billionaires, $355,000 worth of benefits will be distributed to 150,000,000 households.
Submitted 2 weeks ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to workreform@lemmy.world
https://www.whitehouse.gov/socialism/
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False@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wait, by their own math we can get most of the list with the 5% wealth tax? Fucking sold. It would cover everything but Medicare for all and student debt. Give me that 32 hour work week.
Madison420@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It covers more than that, once you recover enough to actually fight a legal battle against the 1% they can pursue tax cheats and tax fraud where recovery bumps up to making five dollars for every dollar spent pursuing the debt. It’s take huge chunks out of the national debt every decade kinda money.
False@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’re also claiming that 90% of the proposal is Medicare for All. So everything else in the list would be $3550 per household per year if their claim of $35500 per year is to be believed.
I don’t know that they’re making the argument they think they’re making
sepi@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
seat6@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
There’s no way these numbers are real, right? I’m absolutely in favor of a wealth tax and the DSA in general; but it can’t possibly add $355,000 in value to each family
gastroglizzy@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
$355,000 per family over a ten-year period.
Dadifer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Still good
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
The site isn’t saying it will “add”, its saying it will “cost”…
daychilde@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
For a start, that is over 10 years, so annually it’s a tenth of that (according to the site’s lies)
ElChinchilla@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Manageable conceptual dollars if you want some basic fun math, look up the cost of the US Army (only army mind you) apache program, and then pull the numbers for the cost of Snap benefits for the entire country.
It is a priorities issue, not a money issue. I can’t be more clear in this; the government “for the people, by the people” no longer gives a single solitary fuck about any person. It is an oligarchy, kleptocracy, corporate-ocracy pick a name. That is not my opinion, it’s an observable, demonstrable, objectively true statement.
Military and government sponsored billionaire class.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Take it one step further: money is nothing but information about the priorities a society places on distribution of material and labor. Framed this way the perennial question of “where will the money come from” is absurd-the money comes from the consensus that we should do a thing.
flandish@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
profit issue imho. if the owning classes could profit and gain as much hegemony from healthcare and benefits as they do with a relatively easy “blow up brown children” weapons system… we’d have healthcare.
the problem is capitalism
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Isn’t the website saying it will COST $355,000 per family? I mean, this site is stupid but… Can we all not read?
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That’s what I read out of it, and I’m neither murican nor native speaker.
But it still sounded like a bunch of dodo-poo to scare the average dildo. “That’s official: socialism bad!”
gankouskhan@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
They include some interesting budgets in there to inflate it to be fair, but they also leave out the stuff that I have to pay for currently like health care costs. Tbh it would prob be a net equivalent. Even still I’m all for it as a higher earner in this country if it means it will help others, me, and those that come after.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It does say that. But the reverse is also true. The government is spending that money; someone is receiving the benefits of that spending. Since we’re talking about “medicaid for all”, the beneficiaries are “anyone who needs medical care”. Which means, we will receive, on average, $355000 worth of care, per household, over a 10-year period.
Of course, nothing of this analysis is in any way reliable. The per-household cost of health care with commercial insurance is far higher than the cost of health care with Medicare. Higher still is the cost of forgoing medical treatment due to financial concerns.
Impractical_Island@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
$355k? That’s not even the amount they (billionaires; boo) spend to rent a twelve year old by the half-hour.
kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
FYI, this post has been reported for a misleading headline.
I’m not particularly too invested in parsing correspondences from the American administration, so if you think this post should be removed, downvote this comment, if you think it should stay, ignore it completely. :)
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
The headline and the post are saying the same thing from opposite perspectives. The headline is saying the government will be spending $X providing Medicare for all. The post is saying “all” will receive $X worth of care.
It’s a little clunky phrasing, but it’s not actually misleading.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
335k each??
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Well, it’s kind of irrelevant, since the actual website is claiming that it’s a cost, not a payment. For some reason OP titled it in a way that is the exact opposite of what the site claims.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
When I spend $20 on a pizza, I receive $20 worth of pizza.
When the government spends $355,000 on medical care for the public, the public receives $355,000 worth of medical care.
OP’s claim is just the flip side of the White House claim. By not having the government spend that money, we are taking on that $355,000 burden individually, rather than collectively through a risk pool.
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I’m more wondering why it doesn’t say each
Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can’t be THIS erect at work. So I’ll need to read the rest at home
ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And I’ll hazard a guess that those 1000 billionaires will still be billionaires. This is a no fucking brainer.
applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
cecilkorik@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
The sick part is that what is being asked is actually so inconsequential to the billionaires that not only will their line still go up, if we change nothing else but this, even wealth inequality itself will still keep going up, it will just go up at a slightly less supersonic speed. They don’t even care about the amount of money we’re asking for, they care about the precedent that if we can take this from them, what’s stopping us from taking everything from them.
That’s what they’re actually scared of. That’s why they resist this so hard. That’s why they don’t bend. They think that once the people slip out of their stranglehold they will get a taste of billionaire blood and they will like it.
And they might be right.
bertlewirth@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And another billion dollar boat!