Submitted 1 week ago by LoveEspresso@cafe.coffee-break.cc to [deleted]
If internet means wires
It does not now and has never meant wires.
The internet as we know it has always included wireless links. The AlohaNET, a wireless network, was part of the Internet from the start. The ArpaNET became the Internet in 1977 when it first connected multiple networks together. The AlohaNET joined the ArpaNET in 1972.
The answer is No.
The internet has always been ignorant to the physical layer.
Internet is internetwork (ie inter-network), meaning a network of networks.
Wires are not part of the definition
Historically that has been through cables, right ??
And directional radio towers ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT%26T_Communications_(1984%E2%80%932010)#AT=&T_Long_Lines= ) and satellites. Both of which are wireless.
So yeh, wires have been used in establishing the internet. But wires are not a requirement for internet.
It’s like rain can make things wet. But something being wet does not require rain.
The wires are for faster data transfer. Your phone connects wirelessly to the tower and the tower has ( but not necessarily ) higher speed wires to connect back to a hub that connects to other wires. Some towers connect wirelessly back to a hub.
Just as interstate travel used to involve horses. You are absolutely terrible at correlation/causation.
No, originally (roughly around in 2023, although there’s ongoing debate among historians suggesting it might be as late as 2033) it was actually donkeys and farts in general direction of target. Then straight to the wi-fi. Then some hipsters complained so wires were added – both to the technology stack and also into the word “internet”. (As you have probably noticed, the letters ‘i’ and ‘t’ are made of wires.)
Wow, OP posts to “no stupid questions” but still gets ripped…
This is turning into Reddit Jr with all the hive-minded people that don’t like to be helpful, just talk about how they’re right. God forbid anyone have a real curiosity or question.
This one however, isn’t one of them.
It’s not based on stupidity, just wrong information.
Actually, the Internet does not mean wires. It is the global computer network that uses the Internet protocol suite to communicate. The medium of the connection (e.g., wireless, copper wires, fiber optic, etc.) is mostly irrelevant.
As for your phone, it communicates with the rest of the Internet wirelessly, i.e. by sending and receiving electromagnetic waves through the air. The details depend on whether your phone is using mobile data or WiFi. Your phone gets connected to the Internet because it has the required hardware (wireless transceiver, embedded computer), software (web browser (e.g. Firefox, Chrome 🤮), operating system (e.g. Android)), configuration (set to connect to a network), and credentials (WiFi password if needed, WiFi network name).
The internet does not mean “wires” any more than electricity means “wires”. It may use wires in places, but that does not define the concept.
Internet is just an interconnected network of computers. The connections between those computers can be wired with copper, wireless over radio, or they can use light through fiber optic cabling made of glass. The internet is about the concept of getting disparate / discrete machines to communicate, wires are just one of the tools it can use to do that.
A computer network is a group of computers that are connected somehow–through wires, wireless signals, or birds.
The internet is a massive network of millions of computers. And it uses a lot of different things to connect together, including wires, wireless signals, and optical cables.
The link provided was very entertaining, thanks 😃
Engineers and tech people are more whimsical than most people realize. For more like this, check RFCs 2324, 2795, or check the whole list.
Technically, it’s ‘pipes’ not ‘wires,’ but they function the same.
When you hold the phone in your hand while standing on the ground, you’re closing a very long circuit that connects everyone via underground ‘electro-acoustic pipes.’ A few years ago, they laid conduits under waters so people from island nations could make overseas calls.
That is also why they would ask people to turn off their phones when they get on airplanes. They finally got it working while moving using flight attendants on break, small flashlights, and quantum encryption.
Scientists are still working on calls dropping when people are on trampolines.
In this specific case, your phone exchanges radio signals with a cell tower, and then the cell tower transfers your data requests onto the wires.
It is an “interconnected network” which, yes, originally used only cables - because that’s all there was.
A car is still a car - even when you substitute the combustion engine for an electric motor.
yes, originally used only cables - because that’s all there was
That’s not correct. The Arpanet, the precursor to the Internet, already included the wireless AlohaNet by Dec 1972. The Arpanet didn’t become a true Internet, a network connecting 2 or more other networks, until 1977. So the Internet as we know it has always included wireless links.
Yeah, for sure. But with the actual question being asked I wasn’t going to get all historical - I thought I’d stay with an eli5 answer for simplicity.
No. It’s not a truck. It’s a series of tubes.
Your phone connects to what ammounts to a big wifi router and that is usually connected by cables.
schwim@piefed.zip 1 week ago
Where is the internet defined by the word “wires”?
LoveEspresso@cafe.coffee-break.cc 1 week ago
I was reading somewhere that internet means ocean bed cables.
Luci@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Stop reading that. It’s wrong.
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus 1 week ago
So if your Internet traffic (i.e. the stuff you send and receive to others) goes across the ocean, it might go through cables laid on the ocean floor.
adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
There are “Internet cables” across the ocean; there are also “Internet satellites” orbiting the earth. The cables are good because they provide low latency. But that is not the most desired feature of all Internet packets; sometimes, bandwidth or range are higher priority than latency, and in those cases, a wireless transport layer may be preferred.
Signtist@bookwyr.me 1 week ago
Internet is information. Information can easily be sent long distances through wires, so we use wires to cross the ocean, but information can still be sent shorter distances wirelessly through electromagnetic waves, so on land we build a bunch of towers and install routers in our homes to let us access that information wirelessly wherever we are.
sbeak@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
In a nutshell, the “Internet” is actually a mix of fibre optic cables, copper wires, wireless networks, and satellites that all intercommunicate with each other using the Internet Protocol (IP). These different parts are used for different purposes.
Wireless is used for mobile devices, home networks, etc., while wired connections are common when speed is of utmost importance, so things like enterprise networks, servers, that sort of thing uses wires and cables. Fibre optic cables uses light to transmit data while copper wires use the flow of electrons (electricity) to do so, the former is faster but more expensive while the latter is more affordable. Finally, satellites are used when neither is available, and typically used when you are somewhere remote, or when normal connection methods are disrupted. In Ukraine, soldiers use satellites to communicate due to the disruption of mobile networks from the war.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 1 week ago
I mean a simple Wikipedia search would’ve corrected that.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet