If they are getting a fully automatic for hunting, they aren’t looking for more challenge.
Why do people claim when they buy lets say an M16 Fully Automatic Assault Rifle it is for hunting or self protection? Could you just bow and arrow during a hunt for more of a challenge?
Submitted 6 days ago by Patnou@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 days ago
zonklezoop@lemmy.zip 6 days ago
Right. The point isn’t to challenge themselves. The point is to kill.
Solumbran@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Pretty sure it is the main reason. The ones that want to feed themselves through hunting could be planting crops instead. Or you know, use the money they sink in guns and ammo to buy food.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Most people buying full auto M16s (assuming this is a U.S. centric question) are dong so because those are collectors items. They cost upwards of $10k and appreciate in value.
People buying non-NFA semiauto ARs do so for a multitude of reasons. If someone says it is for defense, then while the chance of using it as such is slim, if it does happen it is a lot more practical than using a bow and arrow.
For hunting, there are a lot of variables. For the most part intermediate cartridges aren’t ideal for hunting, and in a lot of places they are banned for that purpose. You’d have to use a full power cartridge much of the time. Bow and arrow hunting of deer is not something most people can pull off and it would lead to a lot more wounded deer running away. I do think it’s fairly common to use intermediate rounds on wild hogs, but at that point it’s more about culling masses of them much of the time.
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
Hogs also travel in large enough groups that semi-automatic is an incredibly valuable function. People love to joke about the feral hog line but if you’re a farmer whose cash crop is threatened by hogs it’s a very real problem, and they can destroy fast in large groups.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 6 days ago
No one is saying that.
The AR platform (semi auto) is cheap and reliable.
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Good luck buying a full auto, those cost more than cars and have so much red tape buying.
If you are talking about the off the store shelf civilian semi auto AR15, you can 100% hunt with it. I use mine for coyote hunting or 2/4 legged critter defense. 5.56 or 223 is a really great varmine round. Flat shooting, light recoil, super quiet with a can, cheap rifle and ammo.
Sure, it’s not as much as a challenge,but an AR15 cost the same price as a low end compound bow. Recurves are expensive. You also have to have a place to shoot and practice your bow, have the physical strength to actually shoot it.
Nothing wrong with hunting “modern” weapons. I used to bow hunt, but havent for 10 years due to basicly having to buy a whole new bow since the carbom fibre and string degrading naturally. AR15s are great (and safe) to hunt with and not a new concept.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Depends what school you’re trying to go to
nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 days ago
Bow and arrow can be a lot less ethical kill, and going from the precision and power of a compound bow to a regular bow makes the problem a lot worse. The m16/ar15 shoots 5.56 which in some states isn’t even considerd powerful enough for deer and larger game to ethically kill them. With skileld shot placement it can but its not as quick a death as larger cartridges are for larger game.
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
Fully automatic weapons are illegal in my country, but bow hunting is common. So people don’t say anything about M16s but use bow and arrow for a challenging hunt
Zier@fedia.io 6 days ago
Difficulty Level 10,000
Poison Blow DartsbluGill@fedia.io 6 days ago
While many hunters own an M16, they're not a popular hunting round. The typical M16 doesn't have enough power to take down the deer. You own M16 because it's fun to fire once in a while. You want a more powerful rifle or often shotgun depending on where you are because that's what puts foods on the table. If you want to challenge, you will get a bow and arrow or a muzzle loader. They're lots of fun. However, they take a lot more practice.
There is no one best hunting gun. That is why hunters will tend to own at least four or five guns. You want a 20-gauge shotgun for small birds. You want a 12-gauge for larger birds. You need a small rifle, say a .22 or something in that range for your squirrels and rabbits. And then you need a bigger gun, like a .30-06 common for your deer. Since guns do break once in a while, you will try and have a couple spares. Usually you're hunting with a buddy and if a buddy has a spare that would be good enough that you can borrow it if you need it. But for one of your hunting trips, you will be that buddy that the other person borrows from. Often when you're young you will buy a cheap gun that works but it's not very good and so you'll keep that while you buy a more expensive one which again adds to your collection.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 6 days ago
While many hunters own an M16
Really?
bluGill@fedia.io 6 days ago
Ar15, but they are the same other than details
Bad_Engineering@fedia.io 6 days ago
Almost no one owns an m16. That would be a NFA (National Firearms Act) weapon that requires a special tax stamp for and would also have to be made before 1986. No new fully automatic firearms have been allowed to be made except for LEO/military purposes since 1986. All the of what you're calling an "m16" is an AR-15 (Armalite Rifle 15) or some variant. They're all semi-automatic.
The AR-15 is so popular because it is a very accurate, reliable rifle, and can be very affordable. It also helps that it's the civilian model of the m16 and m4 rifles the military has. I have one that I target shoot with and it's a very fun rifle to use. That's probably the biggest reason it's so popular.
I do agree that we need much stricter gun control in this country but it needs to be based around logic and fact. The "assault rifle bans" of the 90s were completely useless and didn't van anything meaningfully dangerous. They banned things like collapsable stocks, threaded muzzles and other silly things that don't effect the operation of the gun. Hell, California currently bans rifles with pistol grips, so when you buy an at there it just has a different grip. The function of the rifle is still the same. Personally I think we need stricter licensing on who can own a firearm. You should have to prove you are competent, capable, and safe in your use of firearms before you're allowed to own one. That includes VERY thorough background searches and atleast 20-30 hours of instruction. The old tired adage of "guns don't kill people, people kill people" does have some truth to it. But if less people had the guns to begin with, they'd have a lot harder time hurting people.
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
Does the M16 have a lot of stopping down power or range? Seems to me, these are important criteria for hunting.
For home protection I would want a pump action 12 gauge.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 6 days ago
The AR-15 derivated guns in 5.56mm tend to be decently mechanically accurate (depending on the exactly setup and blahblahblah) and have a flat trajectory which makes them practically accurate.
The ability of 5.56mm to wound is velocity dependent. Within the range where the velocity is high enough (600 to 800 meters, again depending on specifics) they are quite damaging, at least to humans. 5.56mm was designed specifically with humans as targets in mind, and designed to kill with hit to the heart/lungs/head. It minimizes recoil to allow the maximum volume of aimed shots in the shortest time, to maximize the chance of hitting a vital.
For hunting something like deer, a lot of gun people have shown 5.56mm is capable of taking down a deer with a similar hit to the vitals, however many locations still regulate that 5.56mm is not legally allowed, so it’s sort of a moot point.
For home protection I would want a pump action 12 gauge.
Not my personal choice or recommendation, but I’ve had this conversation enough to know it is hard to change minds.
Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world 6 days ago
5.56 or 223 is a solid coyote or groundhog round and has been popular for 30+ years now. With the properly set up AR15, they can reach out 500m no problem
Either 5.56 or 12GA are great home defense rounds.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 6 days ago
I completely spaced on the use against coyotes. AR-15s seem about ideal for that.
Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Bows require strength.
M16 point and squeeze trigger.
/s
justdaveisfine@piefed.social 6 days ago
(I’m assuming US)
You can’t buy full auto M16s, and bow hunting is very popular.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 6 days ago
You absolutely can buy full auto M16s. Assuming you have enough extra money set aside to buy a car.
zoloftt@lemmy.world 6 days ago
You can’t easily buy one? You need a tax stamp and that’s a bit of a process. But you can buy one.
Patnou@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Um…yes the US. I didn’t know bow hunting was very popular. I am in the deep south so it’s kind of like who has the biggest most badass gun is their dick size. But yes you can by those M16s in the US my brother got his for the marines.
setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 6 days ago
He bought for the marines?
queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 days ago
I know a few people in the south who bow hunt, but I think they all also have guns. From what I can tell, it’s unusual about the same way someone having an antique car is unusual. Most people don’t and it’s a talking point, but not unheard of.
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
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