Submitted 1 year ago by GreyShuck@feddit.uk to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
The increasing popularity of ultra-heavy SUVs in England means a conventional-engined car bought in 2013 will, on average, have lower carbon emissions than one bought new today, new research has found.
The study by the climate campaign group Possible said there was a strong correlation between income and owning a large SUV, which meant there was a sound argument for “polluter pays” taxes for vehicle emissions based on size.
Shocker. Did anyone really think quadrupling the size of vehicles wouldn’t increase how harmful they are to the environment?
Seems to increase the size of people’s egos too.
My 202 Chevy equinox gets similar mpg as my 2016 Chevy trax and both do better than my previous 2007 Pontiac torrent
Trax. 26 city 34 highway Equinox. 26/ 31 Torrent. 17/24
The torrent and equinox are similar sizes while the trax is half the size.
Suvs keep getting more effcient
Yet another example of the incredibly stupid decisions George Osborne took when equalising VED/Road tax in year 2 onwards.
It used to be that the higher emissions you made the more you paid every year, and while it was never enough, having a single rate of 180 quid for all petrol / diesel cars regardless of size/efficiency is clearly the wrong policy.
Monumentally stupid, but we’ve come to expect that from the Tories over 13 years. Glad to see Labour will reverse this decision on day 1 and bring back the policy of higher emitting vehicles pay more taxes.
The US did something similarly stupid. We based our fuel economy standards on the size of the car, and enforced high percentage reductions on smaller cars than larger. A small truck might need a 30% improvement in economy over previous models, while a larger truck can get away with a 20% improvement.
So manufacturers stopped making smaller cars.
Average economy is worse now than 30 years ago, because CAFE standards incentivized much larger vehicles.
Image: fiat 500 from 1960’s Article: cars from 2013
But 500 from the 60s is super cool!!
Definetely way cooler than dumb SUVs
Also in the news. Putting your hands into fire does do the ouchie ouchie.
If looking at carbon emissions only… Well, no shit? No need for a study to know that, it’s purely based on fuel economy. Look at other types of emissions though and a 2023 SUV with a brand new catalytic converter will be much better than a 10 years old car.
How so? Cars have to pass emissions tests, and ten year old cars have to pass them, too.
Also: what significant improvements in filtering out “other types of emissions” have there been made in consumer vehicles in the last 10 years, and what “other types of emissions” are those?
en.m.wikipedia.org/…/European_emission_standards
A 10 years old car would fall under Euro 5b standards instead of Euro 6d, there’s also a level of tolerance when a car gets tested so it might have beat the standard by a good meeting when it was new, it still passes the test 10 years later because it’s still under what’s allowed but not as good as it was when new.
CO2 emissions don’t get filtered by the anti emissions equipment, they’re the by-product of combining the CO emissions with unburnt hydrocarbons, it’s 100% based on how much fuel is burned by the vehicle and that’s it. Anti pollution systems do reduce NOx emissions by splitting it and Euro 6 tolerates less than half the NOx emissions that Euro 5 does while also reducing the tolerance for HC+NOx (talking about diesel here, since the standards were the same Euro 5 to Euro 6 for petrol vehicles).
Euro 6 also introduced particle emissions for petrol cars, which only existed for diesel vehicles under Euro 5. Euro 7 is coming in 2025 and will add NH3 and brake pads particles into the mix.
For that, you don’t need a “study”. You just have to look at the technical data that is available on those cars.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The study by the climate campaign group Possible said there was a strong correlation between income and owning a large SUV, which meant there was a sound argument for “polluter pays” taxes for vehicle emissions based on size.
While they are billed as vehicles that cover rough ground or tow heavy loads, previous research has shown that three-quarters of SUVs bought new in the UK are registered to people living in urban areas.
Recent debate over London’s expanded ultra-low emission zone has focused on concerns that cars that emit more NOx are almost always older, and disproportionately used by less wealthy people.
In contrast, the report argued, high greenhouse emissions have often been a product of richer people buying huge SUVs – at a price that showed they could afford an electric car.
Lambeth, in south London, charges owners of the heaviest, most high-emission vehicles, more than four times as much for an annual parking permit than for the smallest cars.
This year, the Paris-based International Energy Agency said that, globally, SUVs produced emissions equivalent to the combined national totals of the UK and Germany.
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My celica will beat your SUV MPG any day
I just learned about the Tyre Extinguishers. They use lentils to depress the pin on the valve cap of an SUV’s tyre, so that the tyre deflates without getting damaged. It’s super effective and it’s not a crime. They are called the Tyre Extinguishers.
I own a jeep Unlimited… And, I don’t get why people give a crap about whether they are using petrol. I’d happily switch if a 4wd was released which was affordable and had sufficient battery.
The only real reason I have a 4wd is because I do a lot of hiking in my free time (and I got this cheap as it was 10 years old). If I wasn’t hiking though, I’d move back to my Toyota Echo Hatchback. That thing was SO easy to park, cheap to drive, and so reliable and safe.
Why we walking that you requiring a Jeep to get around? Pretty much everywhere has car parks. Even in the Scottish Highlands.
Electric Jimny is rumored to be coming. Looking forward to that one as well for forest work.
FTA:
Ultra-heavy SUVs
Not quite what the headline implies. Clickbait.
DeathWearsANecktie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Emissions aside, those big SUVs are so ugly and unnecessary for your average driver.
paintbucketholder@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s also such a race to outsize other vehicles.
I know SUV drivers who bought an SUV because “everyone owns an SUV, and if you’re driving around in a smaller car, you can’t see anything around you any more.” They’re not even wrong, in some communities it’s getting really hard to participate in traffic of you’re constantly surrounded by much larger, taller cars on all sides.
But of course, they’re now just perpetuating the problem.
epicbomber@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
One thing I noticed the other day while going through a new drive through is that the increase in vehicle size is noticable there. I drive a sedan, and most of the drive through windows near me are level with my car’s window, but the one that I went through the other day was built in the last year or so, and the window was significantly higher up than my car’s.
GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Not to mention that they require no additional driver training.
You can pass your test in a Ford Ka, then hop in a 2 tonne range rover the next day.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’ve never even considered that, but it is wild. Like those grandmothers who have spent 60 years driving tiny little cars and then one day their family gets them a fucking tank to drive around in and they suddenly start putting everyone’s lives at risk because they have zero experience behind the wheel of a vehicle that’s at least double the size of what they drove their entire life beforehand.
Flax_Vert@mastodonapp.uk 1 year ago
@GreatAlbatross @DeathWearsANecktie to be fair you cannot drive on a motorway until you pass and then once you pass you can go straight onto it unattended.
MDZA@feddit.uk 1 year ago
And because they’re heavier, there’ll be more wear and tear on the roads too.
Pasta4u@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What do u think a electric car eith its huge batteries would do ?
Telsa model 3 is 3000 pounds
Chevy equinox is 3300
Chevy traverse is 4300
Tesla model Y 4400
Tesla model x 5200
Chevy suburban is 5700
Fedop@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Oh man this one is so big for maintenance costs, the damage is exponential! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_power_law