History of Biodynamics

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• prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I know the Nazis we’re all in on occult type shit and “germanic / roman” mythos, is this meme just that Steiner had the same kind of woowoo occult going on?

  I thought the Nazis we’re generally against Steiners brand of woowoo

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  • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Both stem from romantic and naturalistic idealism, that‘s Part of German culture. Modernity had severed the relationship between the people and the land and nature. Christianity and Judaism were seen as invasive religions, that eradicated the natural indigenous religion.

    There‘s an antisemitic strain that rejected modern medicine as Jewish, and favored alternative methods. Homeopathy, Anthroposophic medicine, new Germanic medicine, quackery, and other alternatives were supported by the Nazis.

    The Nazis regulated quacks and providers of alternative medicine as Heilpraktiker (healing practitioners), a law that‘s still around today in Germany. This legitimized them in the eyes of the public until today.

    It’s all pretty convoluted and there’s no clear line. Nazism as an ideology has a lot of inherent contradictions. It’s both against modernity, for a more ancient indigenous culture, while embracing modernity, technology, media, and revolutionary change. It’s very syncretic.

    Anthroposophy and other alternative medicine remains popular in Germany today, especially among the educated middle and upper class. Left-liberal hippies will often send their children to Waldorf (Rudolf Steiner) schools, which you can find in every medium sized city. I have personally listened to a Waldorf teacher talk in front a group of 40ish people how the Holocaust was the result of bad karma accumulated by the Jewish people. According to him the Jewish people were were cleansed by it and transitioned now to a higher stage of development.

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    • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      It’s funny how hippies becoming right wing extremist is a worldwide phenomena. Even without the Nazi influence late stage hippies always end up on the far right. Like in my country the face of the anti-covid movement is a stereotypical white boy hippie with dreds. Like the typical mistrust in the government hippies have creates a lot of overlap with the far-right hence why some hippies become right wing extremist.

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    • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It pisses me off that they intermixed so much stuff. Some might be good, some might be bad, some definitely is bullshit, but you can’t really have a discussion because it’s all under one label and criticizing a part of it, criticizes the part you would agree to in their eyes.

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    • prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Appreciate the detailed answer, the way you speak about it implies (or I take as an assumption) you’re German/local?

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• Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Annoyingly, demeter products and the soil on their farms are consistently better than other bio etc. Competitors.

  Doesn’t make their belief based practices effective. But they may help them make better decisions when it counts.

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• LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Wait biodynamic farming comes from Nazis?

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  • Samskara@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They didn’t invent it, but they encouraged and invested in it. The number of biodynamic farms increased from 100 to 1000 after 1933. Some high up Nazis protected biodynamic agriculture and it was used on some SS run farms.

    However the Nazis rejected Anthroposophie as an ideology.

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• Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Modern wine growers use astrology to plant?

  I would think that’s a tiny subset of the producers.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodynamic_wine

    TIL

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• kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I get that it’s woo (e.g. burying quartz crystals stuffed inside a cow horn), but I don’t see any racism. Care to elaborate?

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  • prettybunnys@piefed.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I “found” this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Steiner_and_race

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    • waz@feddit.uk ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve never read that before, doesn’t appear racist , even opposing racism in much of the text.

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  • Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Steiner occasionally characterized specific races, nations and ethnicities in ways that have been deemed racist by critics.[314] This includes descriptions by him of certain races and ethnic groups as flowering, others as backward, or destined to removed or disappear.[313] He presented explicitly hierarchical views of the spiritual evolution of different races,[315] including—at times, and inconsistently—portraying the white race, European culture or Germanic culture as representing the high point of human evolution as of the early 20th century, although he did describe them as destined to be superseded by future cultures.[313]

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