How come hypothetically if I make meth in my home. Knowing full well it could explode and take out my neighbors houses, why am I not charged with attempted murder?

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• slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Intent.

  You purchased the stuff to cook meth, not to blow something up.

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  • AreaKode@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    More importantly, youd have to convince a jury that the intent was there.

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    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think OPs post could bridge most of the gap… Lol.

      What is this breaking bad? Stuff doesn’t blow up when you make drugs unless something went very, very wrong and then you lose all your investment.

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    • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think that is a play on that concept of “felony murder” from that episode from Last Week Tonight.

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The dangers associated with Meth production have been exaggerated by ignorant media and lying cops.

  A person with a serious meth addiction is dangerous and likely to cause accidental harm even if they aren’t playing around with volatile chemicals. But these chemicals all have legitimate uses and are safe to use by sober adults. Stuff like Coleman fuel, ether, and acetone. You can create runaway exothermic reactions while venting flammable gas with some weaponized incompetence, but it’s still a “low” explosive, and unlikely to harm anyone not in the same room, much less the neighbor.

  90% of meth lab “explosions” are small events that only harm people in the immediate vicinity and most of the structural damage will come from the resulting fire. Compare that to a simple natural gas leak that can turn a 3 story McMansion into confetti in under a second.

  Would you be nervous if your neighbor installed a gas fireplace?

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  • zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Would you be nervous if your neighbor installed a gas fireplace?

    Well now I would be…

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    • assembly@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is a reason I never understood modern homes in the US being built with natural gas furnaces and appliances. My house had a gas furnace even though most other homes around have electric. You have a flammable gas under pressure going through miles of pipe to get to each home. A leak anywhere could be really dangerous along those many miles. Yet, exceedingly rare to see fires from this (maybe I’m wrong in that I just don’t hear of many). Meanwhile, electric appliances use the electricity that has to come into a house anyways.

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• mech@feddit.org ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because you didn’t attempt to murder someone.

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• MolochAlter@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Because it does not fit the definition.

  It would probably fit reckless endangerment, but murder requires the intent to cause death specifically.

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• bklyn@piefed.social ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Murder requires intent. Manslaughter is when you kill someone by accident.

  so, unless you were cooking meth with the intent of killing your neighbors with an exploding house, it’s manslaughter ( or attempted manslaughter) instead of (attempted) murder.

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  • gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If someone were killed, you could be charged with murder because you’re taking actions that could reasonably result in death.

    IANAL

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    • bklyn@piefed.social ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      that usually only happens in extreme cases when there is an expectation of “reasonable foreknowledge” that what the person was doing would result in the possible deaths of others. for example: in some states, if you drive drunk and kill someone (or more) in a collision, you can be charged with murder rather than vehicular manslaughter. this usually only occurs if the crime was especially egregious, like if a drunk driver runs over a group of children.

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    • protist@mander.xyz ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      What constitutes a murder vs manslaughter charge varies quite a bit by state, as do sentencing guidelines.

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    • Candice_the_elephant@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think it depends on the jurisdiction, in your first example, Gary Nawrocki pleaded guilty to third-degree murder, manufacturing methamphetamine and unlawful possession of a listed chemical. In the second I couldn’t find a record of conviction, and in the 3rd Zarins plead guilty to homicide by negligent handling of dangerous weapon/explosive and maintain drug trafficking place.

      Generally you need intent for it to be murder, but some jurisdictions have degrees of murder with less stringent legal requirements, It comes down to whether it would be considered acting with an extreme, reckless disregard for human life.

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• DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Murder is a charge that means it’s an intentional killing, manslaughter is an accidental killing.

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• waggz@programming.dev ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea

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• gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There are all sorts of additional charges that might be piled on, like reckless endangerment or child endangerment if there are any children in the immediate vicinity.

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• Asidonhopo@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I thought it was more noxious fumes from meth production that were the main hazard, rather than explosivity.

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