Submitted 8 months ago by toasteecup@lemmy.world to support@lemmy.world
There was a very recent post requesting a defederation with lemmygrad.ml.
The post was requesting it due to a large amount of anti Israeli posts and celebrations of the deaths of Israeli citizens both military and civilian.
I’ve checked the modlog in hopes of understanding why those actions were taken, but no note was left. I’d like to ask why those actions were taken. Thanks!
Hello @toasteecup@lemmy.world, thank you for sharing your concerns and curiosity with us. We are aware of the type of hateful content you mentioned, and are doing our best to not keep hateful content on our instance.
We are discussing the request for defederation, but the consensus is that this may not be needed, since the 0.19 Lemmy update is expected to roll out in the upcoming weeks. This update will also enable users to block whole instances, and hopefully, address a big chunk of the issue we seem to be having here.
Regarding your question as to why the poster was banned: they were banned for 1 day, due to the same type of hateful and dehumanising content that would get any other user banned. The defederation request was also posted to several communities. The ban issued was only for 1 day, because the user was a regular member that would normally be trusted. We are aware they might not have bad intentions, and needed time to cool off.
I hope these answers were enough to satisfy your question. Take care, and with love.
Thank you for the information that more than satisfies my curiosity. You take care as well!
Won’t the 0.19 changes just allow you to block instances from appearing in your feed? Won’t you still have to interact with the users?
Yeah, I don’t think this should be left to the users to block even if it is available in a future update. Defederation exists as an option specifically for instances like lemmygrad. Ever since I joined Lemmy, everything I’ve seen in the main feed from lemmygrad stands out as extremist. Most of the communities I have blocked come from lemmygrad.
We are discussing the request for defederation, but the consensus is that this may not be needed, since the 0.19 Lemmy update is expected to roll out in the upcoming weeks. This update will also enable users to block whole instances, and hopefully, address a big chunk of the issue we seem to be having here.
That doesn’t address the broader issue of cultivating an instance culture that tolerates people **celebrating **the literal rape and murder of civilians. Instance defederations aren’t just so that individuals don’t have to deal with other individuals - they’re to prevent the cultivation of a common culture that the defederating instance regards as unacceptable. Like Hexbear trolling. In this case, it is Lemmygrad.ml’s celebration of the rape and murder of civilians.
Like, I can’t emphasize this enough. I’m anti-Israel enough that I regularly get accused of antisemitism. I think Israel is an apartheid regime flirting with fascism and turning Gaza into an open air prison that’s just short of genocide (may not be short of genocide much longer). This is not an issue of “Palestine vs. Israel - normal politics!”, it’s an issue of the celebration of horrific atrocities and what tolerating that in the instance entails. Just like with Hexbear, the answer isn’t “Block the instance” (when the instance block is released). This is an issue of communities.
Mull on the decision, sure, but “Individuals can block” isn’t really addressing what’s core here.
Don’t know, but it did come across as a very one sided perspective.
It definitely did, but it didn’t seem all that different from similar requests in the past. My experience has been that people will typically either agree or disagree and lay out reasons why.
The OP was saying some really shitty things about people and wishing for the deaths and how they’re not human and shit. I agree with them taking it down.
Because this place is run by tankies. You have calls to violence popping up on the feed and nobody gives a shit. Nobody.
If they were Jan 6th trumpets though this place would be outraged.
jet@hackertalks.com 8 months ago
The situation in the Middle East is very nuanced people with serious legitimate grievances on every side. Getting multiple view points we disagree with is healthy.
This issue is very emotional for a lot of people. As a community we’re going to have to give some leeway to people reacting emotionally, before we de-federate.
toasteecup@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You’re absolutely correct, the thing I take issue with is no matter how nuanced the issue is, they are members of lemmygrad.ml cheering for the deaths of innocent civilians.
No matter what the situation is, that’s really not ok and that’s why the user was making the ask.
jet@hackertalks.com 8 months ago
As long as they were saying it on communities on their instance, I don’t think that should be grounds for defederation.
When people participate in communities hosted on other instances, and misbehave, that should be grounds for de-federation.
We’re not going to solve world peace here on Lemmy. But we can at least try to understand each other
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
Link it
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They’re. Tankies.
This isn’t the only issue they have genuinely brain damage level takes on.