How can you see your house if you are inside of it?
How can we see the Milky Way if we are inside of it?
Submitted 1 year ago by fede@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 year ago
u202307011927@feddit.de 1 year ago
As some others already answered the question, let me bring up a fun fact. In german we have a saying that goes “to not see the forest because all of the trees”, which in english would be probably called chess blindness.
zeppo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s a common saying in the US as well. Never heard of chess blindness, though.
weew@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The English phrase is “missing the forest for the trees”
Not quite the same as chess blindness. Possibly the opposite. I think, but it basically means: being unable to see the bigger picture because you’re too focused on minor individual details
mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wow. Amazing. Like what kind of an answer is “if you’re inside a car you can see the car”. This doesn’t answer a damned thing!
We don’t “know” what kind of galaxy we are in because we’ve never seen it from the outside. That would be impossible with our current technology.
Instead we have made very smart evidence-based assumptions as to how our galaxy looks.
What we know is that we are definitely in a galaxy because the general structure of the universe precludes such a conclusion. The extreme vast majority of matter is condensed in structures that are very uniform, we call them galaxies, therefore we must also be in one.
On a very clear night in certain parts of the world we are able to see in the sky a large elongated collection of stars which the ancients called the Milky Way because it resembles milk flowing down a smooth surface or something along those lines. What we currently believe is that that elongated formation of stars is an arm of one of the spirals that comprises our galaxy. We are also able to look at other structures using telescopes in our galaxy for example we have determined that we have a supermassive black hole in the center as many other spiral galaxies do as well.
So to answer your question we cannot see the Milky Way galaxy as a whole only certain parts of it and we’ve been able to draw conclusions by seeing other galaxies.
All the other comments here making neurotic epitaphs and idiotic analogies about how seeing something from the inside is the same as seeing something from the outside is just dumb and pompous if you don’t know the answer don’t say anything.
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We do know quite well what our galaxy looks like thanks to great advances in astronomy. To use your car analogy, it would be like using “X-ray”technology to map the exterior from the interior and get a reasonably accurate picture of the shape of our car.
Chunk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wait we can know what it looks like though. They can plot the distance and position of the stars and then they will have a model of its shape as a point cloud.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The original question is very vague and in general difficult to answer without asking additional questions to clarify so I answered the question in the spirit not in the letter.
Astrealix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We’re on the Earth — how do we see the Earth? By seeing other parts of the Earth that aren’t ourselves. The same is somewhat true for the Milky Way. And like on Earth, you can’t see the whole thing without leaving it, because we only get to see the stuff that isn’t blocked by other things.
Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The same way as I can see most of my body even though I am inside it. Indeed, without a mirror I cannot check whether I got a drunk tramp stamp tattoo last night, but I can still see most of my body and get a decent idea on the shape it as, especially when comparing with other’s people bodies
meltylikecheese@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
The same way I see the hood of my car while sitting inside of it.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 year ago
Because we are inside it. You can literally just look up at the sky and there it is! It does help that we are more toward the edge of it, than towards the center.
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To add to that about the nebulas, they don’t look like they do I’m scifi either. Gas clouds or plasma clouds visible to the human eye. If you piloted a ship through most nebula it would look no different than the rest of space around you. Space is BIG yall
olafurp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We do see it, just not all of it since the milky way is in the way.
octoperson@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
In case you mean pictures like this; upload.wikimedia.org/…/Milky_Way_Galaxy.jpg - they are not actually images of the Milky Way. As you’ve guessed, we can’t directly see it in its full spirally goodness from the inside. Instead, these pictures are either artist’s impressions based on scientific understanding, or pictures of different galaxies that are reckoned to be pretty similar to the Milky Way.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Though someday we may find a gigantic space mirror that allows us to see our own galaxy by zooming in on it enough.
The space mirror will be formed by some weird gravitational pattern that happens to send light back the way it came. Not like literal glass floating in space. Just some kind of optical distortion that acts as a mirror.
But we’ll be looking at our galaxy a long time ago.
valkyre09@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Over 26000 years ago if the mirror was placed at the very edge of the milky way. I wonder how many light years away the mirror would have to be to fit the whole image of the galaxy inside it.
I just can’t even begin to get my head around those numbers, I am a tiny insignificant ant.
Chunk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
These analogy answers are weird and not helpful.
OP, they look through telescopes and figure out how far away the stars are. They record it in a little diagram on a computer and eventually they get a good idea of what it looks like from the outside.
theKalash@feddit.ch 1 year ago
If you’re standing inside a cloud you can still see the cloud.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Same way you can see your living room
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Imagine being on the surface of Saturn. You’d see the rings. I mean, you’d be dead, but you get my point I hope. If not, picture Saturn being the size of rock, but the rings were still there. You’d still see them, yet you’d be “in” Saturn.
IbnLemmy@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Your question needs rewording because as its written right now the answer would be that you just look up at night and all the stars you see, are the milky way.
Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Picture you’re standing in a giant swimming pool. You can see the pool surrounding you.
Anyway it seems like that would be one of the best places to see the Milky Way.
drmoose@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s very big, we’re on the edge
betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 1 year ago
Can you see the tip of your nose?
jacktherippah@lemmy.world 1 year ago
With our eyes, duh!?
thedarkfly@feddit.nl 1 year ago
When we look at the sky, there is a line where there is way more stars than usual. This line goes all the way around the sky. This was called the milky way by the Greeks because it was like a road sparkled with milk drops. At some point, we deduced that we were in a group of stars arranged in a flat disk. Later, we realized that weird space clouds (nebulae) were much further away than we thought and were actually other huge groups of stars like our own that we named galaxies, still after milk.
There are more details me course. Even along the line in the sky drawn by the milky way, there is one side where there is much more stars and dust than the other. We deduced that we were at the edge of the disk and the bright region was the center of our galaxy. Also, the amount of gas and dust that block certain types of light that teach us that our galaxy has arms.
fede@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Great explanation, I finally get it! thank you
MtDewaholic@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Great explanation, although I want to clarify that not all nebulae are galaxies. Nebulas are massive clouds of dust and gas that are found within galaxies. Other galaxies were previously thought to be nebulas in space outside of our galaxy, called extragalactic nebulae. However, in the early 1900s it was proven that these were actually galaxies and the term is no longer used.
While there are nebulae in other galaxies, they are not easily visible to us, so the term generally refers to those contained within the Milky Way.
thedarkfly@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Thanks! I added “some nebulae” to remove any misunderstanding
Hobbes@startrek.website 1 year ago
Which other galaxies are named after milk?
BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The word galaxy itself comes from the old Greek word for milk, so all galaxies are named after milk.