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I get texting and driving being a danger. But back in my day you could eat drink change radio stations etc. Why weren't laws implemented back then?

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Patnou@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • palordrolap@fedia.io ⁨22⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    In some countries there's definitely a catch-all law for this. It's called Driving without due care and attention where I live.

    I can imagine that in jurisdictions where the police are more likely to be predatory, retaliatory or have quotas to meet that such a law might be considered too powerful by a judiciary that isn't quite as corrupt, so that could be why such a thing doesn't exist. Assuming that it's true that no such law exists, anyway.

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  • paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    1. People died. A lot. Ralph Nader, who is today probably better known for being a former presidential candidate for the Green Party in the US, first got famous with his 1965 book “Unsafe at Any Speed” that brought just how dangerous cars were to the public attention. Which led to a ton of laws that regulated the manufacture and operation of motor vehicles. It was similar to how Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle” was with the food industry.

    2. Density has increased. It was easier to get away with driving when there were fewer cars on the road, fewer intersections, fewer buildings and other property nearby. Our signs and signals have grown more complicated. I live in a major US city, where there is a main thoroughfare that cuts through the southern suburbs with a 5 lane stroad (2 lanes each way with a central turning lane). There are traffic lights every couple hundred feet to allow interesections with feeder roads. My grandfather still tells the stories about how when he was a teenager, that was a 3-lane DIRT road, where the center was still a turn lane. He could drive for miles before getting to the densest part of the city where there was 1 traffic light.

    He also tells the story of how the police radios used to only be one-way, so officers in cars could receive messages from the station but not send anything back. On top of that, their big heavy cruisers were slower and less maneuverable than his motorcycle, so he used to commonly blow by and ignore cops trying to pull him over. It was a completely different world.

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  • memfree@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You’re kidding, right?

    We rode without seatbelts in the back of stations wagons. Worse: just ready to fly free in pickup beds. It was almost expected that people would drink and drive.

    All that said, you can still eat, drink, and change stations in most places and it is far, far less distracting than phones.

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    • Guidy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And importantly, people died from that shit. Not every time, obviously, so you get morons with survivorship bias lamenting safety laws.

      A kid in my neighborhood died from falling out of the bed of a pickup truck. Hit his head and was gone.

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  • Admetus@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Texting on a tiny keyboard on a phone requires much more visual attention than finding a button (which you can feel for anyway), and changing a radio station which you only need to listen for. A drink should also be okay if you’re not raising your head full tilt.

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    • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨24⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Eating is fine when it meets three criteria.
      - Low traffic density, like a highway with very light traffic. Residential streets are never acceptable places to eat while driving.
      - The food should be a moderate temp and manageable with one hand, and unlikely to make a mess. Like fries, a wrap, or some carrots and other small snacks less that aren't messy.
      - You do not care if something l falls on you. Literally don't care enough to do anything until you reach your destination. If you can't help but try and catch or look at dropped food then don't.

      Basically eating in the car is acceptable on long drives with food you can drop randomly but only if traffic is light.

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    • Rhaedas@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Which is why the case for having tactile buttons instead of a screen is so strong. You can use feel to use these controls while still watching the road.

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      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Mhm. I texted while driving when I had T9 because I could watch the road and text at the same time. I refuse to touch my phone while driving now because it’s just a giant screen and I can’t do anything without taking my eyes off the road.

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  • vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Better question, why is every moron free to legally text and drive if they glue the phone to the dash first? Those mounts are driving me up a fuckin wall.

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    • scottmeme@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      I had a Lyft driver who was watching YouTube videos using one of the windshield mounts

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      • vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Shit like that is why I still prefer cabs tbh. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but I see it happen way more in the rideshare stuff.

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  • schwim@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You could make a sandwich in your lap and it wouldn’t be as distracting as scrolling social media on your phone.

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  • meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    States are likely to have laws against “distracted driving” or “reckless driving”. Those likely encompass much of the driving while texting or fiddling with controls. Unless a cop directly saw the action this are usually charges levied after an accident happens and do nothing to prevent it. Once enough crashes are attributed to a narrower set of actions, public opinion can be swayed to support action against that narrower set. Now with a specific “no texting while driving” law, cops can pull you over simply for holding a phone. They don’t need to see you do something that would constitute “distracted” or “reckless” driving to ticket you.

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t see how eating and drinking are comparable. You can do those without taking your eyes off the road. A changing the radio stations should only take seconds.

    Texting will take up most of your attention for minutes.

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  • hydrashok@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Because for the most part, you can do all those things with only removing your eyes from the road for a few seconds, if at all. You’re still focused mostly on driving.

    When using your phone, you’re not paying attention at all to the road, and looking away for far longer. That’s the danger.

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  • gws@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Most of the software on smartphones is built from the ground up to grab every bit of user attention it can and this makes phone use more dangerous than eating or fiddling with the radio. So much so that law makers and law enforcers notice and treat phone use differently from other drive-time activities.

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  • Derpenheim@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Same reason lead was in everything you used and rvery building made with asbestos. They knew it was dangerous. Regulators didn’t care.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The standard of safety was far lower back then. You could legally drink alcohol and drive in all states in the 1970s and didn’t face a national ban until 1998.

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    • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      People also died or were severely injured a lot more back then.

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  • Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There way have been a law against eating while driving where you were, many areas had them.

    But it was probably only enforced if there was an accident.

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  • Grumpyleb@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Likely the same reason I used to be able to smoke in cinema’s, airplanes etc. The same reason wearing seatbelts wasn’t legally required.

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