What a world, where students trying not to cheat is considered remarkable. We haven’t even had LLMs that long.
ChatGPT dissidents, the students who refuse to use AI: ‘I couldn’t remember the last time I had written something by myself’
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salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 2 days ago
9point6@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The standard degree course is 3-4 years
I think this year’s intake will be the first where everyone at the uni will be post-chatgpt.
Between the pandemic and LLMs, I honestly reckon my uni experience from the end of the 00s is completely alien to those doing it today
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Calling it cheating is about as dumb as when math teachers called calculators cheating. If everybody has access to a calculator that can process any division math problem you throw at it, learning how to do long division is suddenly not very useful.
zeca@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Learning to do things yourself is exercise for your brain. It doesnt matter that you wont apply that exact skill later, but being well exercised youll be fit to more easily solve problems in the future. Dont underestimate the destructive impact that outsourcing your cognition can have on you brain.
Cethin@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
Cheating is when you skip a part of the process, and when the process is there to help you learn something then you’re cheating yourself. It is the same as math teachers enforcing no-calculator rules. They weren’t doing it to be pointlessly strict. They were doing it to force you to excersice your brain. You need to know the processes they’re asking you to do. Once you know how, then you can use a calculator without missing out. Knowing the process is incredibly helpful in higher math, or in practical applications when you need to think of how to get to a desired result from what you have.
It’s like going to the gym and having a robot lift the weights for you. Sure, the reps got done but you didn’t actually get anything out of it. Is that useful or are you just wasting your time and money?
AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world 1 day ago
When I was in high school, in the 2000s/2010s, our final maths exams included a calculator and a non calculator paper. As far as I’m aware, that’s still typical today. The advent of calculators required us to rethink our approach in teaching and setting tests in maths, but that doesn’t diminish the usefulness of learning long division.
Asetru@feddit.org 1 day ago
The thing is that people get a calculator after they understood how the operations work and have mastered them.
With AIs, it’s the same. It’s not an issue if your teacher gives you an assignment that allows our requires you to use it. But using it despite not being allowed to is cheating. Same as the calculator.
IsaamoonKHGDT_6143@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Realistically, we learn these manual things by tradition and understand the basics. But in the working world that is automated and we only have to learn other things that are more important.
The Big Four accounting firms offer AI products.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Imagine it’s the late 90s to early 2000s, and millions of people are on this anti-Internet bandwagon, while scores and scores of articles (on paper, of course) are always pushing this negative slant towards the Internet. People reading this shit about how the Internet is going to doom us all, and we should reject it in favor of traditional media and research.
This is what these last few years feel like. Just an outright rejection of useful and life-changing technology, while the corpos embrace it. The complete 180 to how the late 90s actually turned out, when corpos were slow on the uptick with this whole Internet thing.
breecher@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
The fact that you are unable to discern two completely distinct phenomenons suggests you may be letting the AI think for you a bit too much.
MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Well, every new version of AI that comes out, whether it’s from a company or open source. It has improvements, big or small, although mostly the latter, but to what extent can we say that AI is no longer effective?
Because if it becomes so effective, if you don’t know how to use it, you’ll miss out on opportunities. We could be caught in a Catch-22 for AI.
lime@feddit.nu 1 day ago
difference being, studies back then showed that people became better at research when using the internet, while studies today show them becoming worse when using ai.
rather than a bicycle for the mind, to multiply your effort, ai is a car for the mind.
scintilla@beehaw.org 1 day ago
Can you not understand not learning how to think for yourself is bad? Or did the AI you use to run your life tell you not thinking anymore is more efficient?
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I’m talking about the general sentiment from articles like this, not the article itself. The content of the article doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.
It’s the Constant. Fucking. Beratement. of the technology.
Like, we fucking get it: You’re a technophobe and hate technology, and love to write articles that shit on LLMs, because that’s what gets clicks. And judging from the votes from this forum, most everybody falls for the clickbait, which then generates even more hateful articles because they know it gets them views.
Meanwhile, out there in the real world, people go to work, and use this sort of technology in their day-to-day jobs. There’s this extreme and jarring disconnect between public opinion, what the news report, and what’s actually happening in real life. I feel like I’m watching Fox News half the time. It’s like all of these haters of LLMs suffer from a massive cognitive dissonance when they are in the workplace. Or they are so behind the times that they aren’t using this technology. Or they don’t even realize the things they use are using this technology behind the scenes.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The internet did doom us all
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 1 day ago
Sometimes I feel like I’m the only one not regularly using AI, am I getting old or something?
jimmux@programming.dev 1 day ago
My work right now is evaluating AI models, but outside work I don’t use them at all. I’m so conditioned to finding flaws that my trust level is rock bottom.
I’m also very aware of how easy it is to mentally disengage. When everything appears correct at a glance, your mind has no reason to question it.
Psythik@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Probably. I’m 38 and use it daily.
BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 19 hours ago
Genuinely curious how you interact with it?
I’ll occasionally amuse myself by making up scenarios with Gemini. And the Google search summary is there - but tbh I mostly find myself ignoring that or seeking confirmation it’s not just made up.
I guess I passively use it quite a bit through Google search.
BaroqueBobby@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You’re not alone! There are dozens of us! Perhaps 20.