Man, I really got hit with a "All men are predators, it's in the studies". 2nd wave feminism is a scourge on feminism itself.

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• Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ah yes the anti anti sexist in the wild. Look how it twists the words and jumps to bizarre conclusions.

  Set yourself free and just admit you have a problem with women instead of just some women you want to pretend to disagree with.

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  In the US, of 100 rapes against girls and women reported to the police, 18 will be prosecuted.

  Jeffery Epstein and his cohort abused hundreds of girls, and all anybody cares about is what powerful man might be embarrassed. Has anyone proposed or suggested anything to protect girls from rich perverts?

  From the founding till 1951, raping your wife was legal in all 50 states. And that protection extended in several states beyond the federal change. Some states even made common-law husbands immune.

  The Christian Bible considers rape to be a property crime. in conservative circles, girls as young as 12 are regularly married off to their rapist.

  The leading cause of death for pregnant people in the US is homicide.

  I think young women considering men to be a threat is pretty rational.

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  • orclev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s the bit about claiming all men are a threat. That’s just as wrong as claiming all black people are criminals because they have the largest proportion of incarcerations (and yes I know that’s got a lot more to do with systemic racism than anything else, but that’s kind of the point). Blanket statements based on gender, ethnicity, or even age are wrong even when it’s a minority making a blanket statement about the majority.

    When you blindly attack everyone all that does is discourage anyone from wanting to help you, even those that agree with many of your points. Making far reaching easily disprovable blanket statements is not how you go about collecting allies to try to fix societies problems.

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    • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Nah. Don’t play the word games this way. Women and girls have to operate under the assumption that “all men” specifically because to do otherwise puts them at significant disadvantage and in significant danger. Unknown unknown - I don’t know this man, or those men, but statistics say 92.1 % of sexual offenders are men and 1 in 6 women will experience rape. There’s a sexual assault every 68 seconds.

      So while it may seem unfair to say “all men” because obviously all men, I have a lot of questions about how op wrote this post.

      All bears aren’t gonna try to eat you. There’s lots of circumstance where that’s not going to happen. But the question is do you assume you are in danger from every bear you run across?

      The thing about the statistics for African American crime is that a lot of them are deliberately misleading and weaponized against that demographic.

      If we’re strictly arguing against weaponizing statistics against a demographic I can understand. But if op is questioning a woman or women being cautious of him because they have a reasonable fear of being assaulted that’s not the same thing.

      Women take extra precautions as a matter of course in their daily every day lives to avoid sexual assault and worse. This is something they do both consciously and unconsciously. And still the mostly likely person to kill a woman is their male significant other or someone they know. Someone they probably trust.

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    • TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If you feel attacked by « all men is a rapist » you’ll need to reconsider what you are

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  • macaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    People like you are why dating makes me nervous. I end up scrutinizing actions that haven’t happened and make myself feel guilty for things I can’t control.

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    • Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      And women are nervous in dating because if they trust the wrong person, they might get raped and murdered. Unfortunately, in the reality we live in, dating can’t really be carefree. With more systemic issues addressed, perhaps it can be.

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    • Stillwater@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Get mad at the system of patriarchy that created this situation

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  • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The Christian Bible considers rape to be a property crime.

    Got any specific verses to cite for this? It’s brought up often enough, but I’ve rarely if ever seen the source. I have a strong feeling that’s from the old testament, of which many Christians ignore the “laws” due to the events of the new testament.

    Promise I’m not trying to sealion here. It’s just that these are big claims that I’ve not seen reflected first hand in my 30 plus years in and out of Christianity.

    I’m also going to softly remind everyone that the old testament writings are also foundational to Jewish faith and Islamic faith, which is consistently left out of most of these discussions of the ills of religion.

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    • orclev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      They’re likely basing it on a verse (that I don’t have handy at the moment) but it says something to the effect that if a mans wife is raped by someone he has to pay a certain amount of silver to the husband in compensation. I couldn’t tell you if it was old testament or not (probably though, sounds very old testament). I think the way it’s phrased was something like “if a man lays with another man’s woman, he must pay him X whatever”.

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• kplaceholder@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Ah, the old classic of deliberately misrepresenting feminist assertions in the most extreme words possible, to stoke up manufactured indignation towards women rights, and then people acting incredibly dense and disingenuous when it is cleared up for them… I see 2014 is back.

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  • Gonzako@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The deal is that this happened to me irl. They ask me to mess a bit with tarot cards and as they’re leaving they tell me “You’d go think about stuff before go you out dating. All men are predators”. When I ask them that sounds incredibly prejudiced they just respond with “It’s in the studies”. I was perfectly fine when feminism meant egalitarianism but thats is oughtright stupid vitriol that’s gonna help noone.

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• Ancalagon@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Little dick energy right here.

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• PlasticExistence@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That’s ridiculous. I’ve never had optical camouflage, advanced weaponry, and I’ve never hunted a human.

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  • Gonzako@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yet. We all yearn for them, remember!

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    • lurch@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      maybe you just proved her point

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• ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Eh, some people are too stupid to successfully think in non-extreme, non-categorically binary terms, at least not without leading them through it. It’s easy to ‘make sense’ (lol) of the world that way, just like it’s easier to read the horoscope and KNOW there’s just 12 different kinds of people (maybe more if you count the ‘ascendant’ sign or whatever) than it is to understand human complexity and the mixture of culture (time and place), life experiences (various ways of childhood trauma come here), attachment styles, etc. that makes a person.

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  • Gonzako@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Oh, yeah definitely. They asked me to sit with them for a bit and play around with tarot cards so I obliged them. We had a silly experience and then they drop this bombshell on me as they are leaving.

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    • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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• Caitlyynn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s enough men to constantly have your guard up around them. That by no means all and everyone who says that is grossly misrepresenting men, but it’s enough men to feel unsafe.

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• jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Someone tried that with me, down to the “Well, not all men, but all predators are men…”

  So I flipped it… Mary Kay Letourneau was a man?

  en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Kay_Letourneau

  “Oh, well, THAT’S different…”

  Is it though? If these were male teachers, you’d be using that as “proof” all men are predators…

  people.com/christina-formella-teacher-accused-sex…

  live5news.com/…/former-teacher-year-sentenced-sex…

  6abc.com/post/…/16287990/

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  • resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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    Am I a joke to you?

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• dabaldeagul@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  What?

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  • Gonzako@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Straight up I got told “All men are predators” in my face. When I told them that sounded very prejudiced they said “It’s in the studies, all men are predators. You’d isolate yourself and think before you actually go out and try dating”

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• hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Maybe ask for the studies? I mean if that's phrased as a fact... Why not read up on it? Maybe they're mistaken, or you are.

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• Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Who cares? It’s tempting but don’t make a world view out of some interaction with randos. You’ll just burn out.

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• jaredwhite@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  "Not infuriating, not enraging. Mildly Infuriating. All posts should reflect that."

  Read the sign. 🙃

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