Bringing an army of ghosts to a necromancer’s gate might not be the smart move you think it is…
Anon thinks Aragorn could have done more
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loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
CitizenKong@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Plus, they were following him very begrudgingly since he was the only one who could lift the curse.
And he also didn’t know that he would march to the Black Gate next.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
At least in the movie they quite literally fought for Gondor. In the books, they just kill some corsairs far away from Minas Tirth.
i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They don’t even kill them, they just scare them off their boats using ‘fear as a weapon’.
UrukGuy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
This
The corsairs of umbar flee the boats, the party & rangers take the ships. The whole point of the fleet was to cut off the Dol Amroth reinforcements, which can then join the battle
At Pellenor, they just scare the enemy forces. Once they’ve fulfilled their oath, they are free.
redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Idle thought, not fully staffed: kinda turns the whole “you cannot use the tools of the Enemy, as they are evil in and of themselves and will bring even the most noble low” vibe of the books on its head.
Or, at least, I seem to recall passages to the effect of fear being one of Sauron’s chief weapons. Could probably find a lit crit essay on this subject if I went digging.
K4mpfie@feddit.org 4 weeks ago
Well if I remember correctly these corsairs were attacking the strategically important harbour that also housed all non combatants from Minas Tirth. The Harbour had a low garrison because they went to support Minas Tirith, so my scarring them off Aragon got access to their ships and saved a rearguard. Both strategically important
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Oh yeah, the books handle the greater war much more, but that would make for some confusion cinematography. It made a lot of sense, but it’s it’s also much less… Well, cinematic
palebluethought@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
In the books, I don’t believe they kill anyone - or can. They basically just scare off the corsairs so the rest of gondors army can join the main battle. So ops point is kinda moot
Dasus@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I don’t think that’s too ambiguous. I read it exactly the way you put it.
Basically “idk if their weapons work but it doesn’t matter they don’t need them” so if they don’t need the swords one would assume no-one is fighting them and just running like you said.
So I’m just here to second you.
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Go watch the extended edition?
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
In the extended edition, they do both (kind of, it’s a pretty tiny fleet)
Etterra@discuss.online 4 weeks ago
protests loudly in d&d
jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
It is as if the realms have been forgotten.
Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I mean, the least he could’ve aak. Those guys seemed to enjoy killing, so maybe they would’ve liked killing more orcs.
OwlPaste@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They never specifically killed orks, that’s movie stuff. They killed foreign corsairs near the river estuary and fulfilled their oath.
InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
They scared them more than killed them even.
dwindling7373@feddit.it 4 weeks ago
They never existed, that’s book stuff.
ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Their oath bound them in undeath. Once they fulfill their oath, they can’t just choose to stick around. They’re a single-use consumable item.
Oh and even they can’t just walk into Mordor, because Sauron casts Turn Undead as a level 20 Cleric.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
The reason they’re cursed is that they favoured Sauron during the final battle of the 2nd age. That’s why Isildur cursed them. So it stands to reason they have some issue standing directly against him.
Allonzee@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Oh wow, I just took them as cowards/selfish fucks that said not their problem.
Eyedust@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Yep. At first I was agreeing here. Like, why didn’t Aragorn specify defeating Sauron is the oath fulfillment? But then I realized that yeah, if they worked under Sauron once, its probably safe to say if they directly faced him at the gates he may have some sort of power over them. Too risky. Send away.