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Where the hell are you finding an 8.5% ROI in this economy??
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Submitted 5 weeks ago by Buttflapper@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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vzq@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Excellent, except for a tiny little detail:
I don’t play games to make money. I play games because I want to play games.
catloaf@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Your ChatGPT analysis is still garbage.
Regardless, if people feel that spending that money on a game is valuable to them, why is that so unbelievable to you? Do you expect everyone to sit quietly in the dark when they’re not working? Let people enjoy things.
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
It’s really weird to include ~500% additional monthly contributions into the math.
catloaf@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
It’s because they used ChatGPT, with predictable results.
cobysev@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Yeah, that $950 was already 2 years of payments, which OP was complaining about “investing” in his games. Where are they coming up with an additional $200 per month?! At that point, why not just invest that $200/mo and keep enjoying your games?
Buttflapper@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s really weird to include ~500% additional monthly contributions into the math.
Thanks for pointing that out. My math was horribly off here. That’s what I get for using Google sheets to try and work this out myself :( I corrected it. I was accidentally multiplying by something without realizing it.
Valmond@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It’s like those “if you don’t smoke and put away that money for 30 years you can buy a Ferrari!”
Where’s your Ferarri grandma?
It’s okay to have fun and WOW is cheaper than boose and a lot of other things, if you can afford it ofc.
Graphy@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
lol why tf do you have two year subs to two different MMOs and why are you comparing the cost to an investment.
And I’m a psycho who keeps 3 OSRS memberships going because I don’t want jagex to go under and delete my accounts
Ashtear@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I don’t know how anyone has time for two live service games at once. Even in my peak college slacker days, just World of Warcraft alone was a lot. I started playing Honkai: Star Rail this summer and a friend wanted me to start The War Within expansion with her. I’ve been doing the tourist thing in WoW for a few years now, and even still with that casual pace of play, the combination was far too much for me these days.
My gaming tastes can get mercurial, so I prefer the irregular stuff now. I love that I can just log into Guild Wars 2 any time without even thinking about money, and I’ve spent a whole $10 on HSR in the six months I’ve been playing it. Makes it much easier when I suddenly get a few days of light work here and there.
Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Yeah, I’ve gotten sucked into HSR as well (first f2p gacha game that’s ever hooked me), and I can’t imagine having time for another game like it. The daily content isn’t really any trouble to do, but having to do that for multiple games would get old fast. And the monthly content drops can be really substantial and take a long time to experience all the content.
Ashtear@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Also my first deep dive into a gacha. One of my friends also plays Genshin and ZZZ and I’m like, hoooow? 😂
There were so. many. quests. that I’m just now getting to the “log in to spend energy” mode with HSR. The game’s absolutely packed with one-time content and being an MMO player, I’m so not used to this rapid release schedule.
Buttflapper@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I don’t know how anyone has time for two live service games at once
Think of an MMO as a theme park. Used to have to wait in a really long ass line to get to each of the rides. Now, you have fast passes to get through all of the attractions as quickly as possible. This explains the MMO market nowadays. If you subscribe for 12 consecutive months to World of Warcraft, you won’t have enough stuff to play. The gameplay loop when you get to end game is essentially brainless and monotonous, it requires no time investment really at all. You just log in daily to do some repeatable tasks, Then you spam the exact same brain dead content over and over again currently it’s raids or dungeons. They added a scaling system about halfway through World of warcraft’s lifespan. So you either go normal heroic mythic raids or you do normal heroic mythic dungeons and then mythic dungeons scale all the way up to like the 30s so you just repeatedly run the same exact stuff over and over. Lots of people don’t have the fortitude to do this, so there is a lot less time invested nowadays in a single MMO and a lot more interspersion across other MMOs.
Elder scrolls online has some pretty good story content, but it’s not enough to keep you busy for an entire month either. Some people swear that it’s worth paying for and subscribing to the game for. If you don’t subscribe to the game, you don’t have any crafting bag, and by extension, you don’t have any inventory space to hold any materials, so it’s almost required to subscribe to Elder scrolls online. You can buy all the expansions with money, but that won’t give you a crafting bag and a bunch of other goodies. Game becomes virtually unplayable at that point and it’s frustrating
Ashtear@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
The only times I ever ran out of content in WoW–been playing since 2004–was the six months or so before the next expansion’s prepatch. Even in the notorious 6.1 “Twitter integration” patch that didn’t add a raid, I still was happily messing around with my garrisons and collecting battle pets and mounts. If I weren’t doing the tourism thing now, I’d still spend hours upon hours with the new professions system. I spent more time messing with that in Dragonflight than I did in dungeons and raids.
Maybe you’re the kind of player that doesn’t roll alts? Just that alone is a lot of different content and different takes on existing content.
SnowMeowXP@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
That’s why I quit gamepass. I need to be cemented to my xbox most of the time to justify continuing the subscription.
astanix@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Giving up entertainment for money in the future is impossible for a lot of people.
theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I have never thought it is worth it, even back when WOW released, the economy was better and I was a teenager with a lot more disposable income I would never pay for a subscription to play a game. It is just a terrible way to run a game and I have always thought that.
I’ve never really understood why people would support that kind of model personally, there has never been a justification in my book.
Back then Guild Wars 1 was and always will be the far superior game when put up against WOW in my personal opinion and once I’d paid for that I could play it every month without further outlay. Shame how they ruined it with GW2 (unpopular opinion I’m sure but I stand by it xD)
Voytrekk@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I think the cost of WoW has been fairly reasonable over the last 20 years. The subscription has stayed the same price of $15 per month the whole time, and if you know you are going to play WoW for the whole year, it is just $13 per month with an annual sub. The only thing that has gone up in price is the expansions which have gone from $40 to $50.
I think another point that you are missing is that WoW players often spend most of their game time playing WoW, which means they spend less on buying other games.
PunchingWood@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I feel like subscriptions are just fine though.
If you can’t afford subscriptions like those, then you should probably have other priorities to really worry about.
That said, I play WoW on and off, I never play 24 months in a row or so until the next expansion. I often total at barely half a year or maybe even less depending on the expansion. Like currently I’ve only paid for one month and have bought game time with lots of gold I had, but I barely played during these times.
If someone would play every month every expansion they probably easily got their money’s worth out of it if they’re that invested in the game, and probably spend far less on other games or hobbies.
Same principle for streaming services, you probably don’t watch all of them, so why not just limit yourself to one and swap between each? Nobody is forcing anyone to buy every streaming service. I do think streaming services get out of hand, but they keep doing it because people keep buying it.
Buttflapper@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If you can’t afford subscriptions like those, then you should probably have other priorities to really worry about.
If you did a simple search for poverty and How much people struggled back in 2004 when World of Warcraft released versus now, you would see that families are having a lot harder time than ever before. It has not improved at all for most people. Wealth inequality has grown massively in the past 20 years that World of Warcraft has been around. So yeah a lot of people do have different priorities, And now, the price of playing a live service game that required a subscription can definitely impact you. The same thing can be said though with other subscriptions like Netflix and Hulu. It really fucking destroys your monthly income. Alone they don’t, but added up they definitely do
catloaf@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
A World of Warcraft subscription is not a human right. Everyone makes a cost-benefit decision about whether they can afford it.
PunchingWood@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
And again, like I said, if you can’t afford it then you should rethink your priorities. It’s a luxury product, not a basic needs product.
And like I also said, these game subscriptions have barely changed in price compared to many other things in the past 20 years. They’re not that expensive.
Considering you’re talking about multiple game subscriptions and streaming subscriptions in your post, I don’t think you have it that bad anyway. You’d also require a console or gaming PC or both, a lot of people don’t have all that. Subscriptions are easily the cheapest part of the hobby.
You’re just bad with organising your subscriptions and should change how to get the most out of it.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Another reason to play open source remakes instead of the original
Buttflapper@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Like what? Can you give examples? Free RuneScape or something?
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Free RuneScape I shill 2009scape.org but there’s others. I know there’s free WoW, Maplestory, and pretty much every other popular MMO as well
EvilBit@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Dude, I’m not disagreeing with your point, but your presentation is beat up from the feet up.
Caveat: been drinking because gestures at everything
Basically you’re comparing two wildly different scenarios, which makes your point seem pretty broken, regardless of how right your actual thesis is.
TL;DR: Cancel your MMOs, play retro and discounted indie games, and stay in school, kids.
Starbuck@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Right? The math here is all over the place. Like he figured out how much WoW would cost over two years and then asked ChatGPT for an investment plan with $950 or something.
catloaf@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
That’s literally what they did. They deleted and reposted because last time they forgot to edit out the “here’s a breakdown you can post to reddit” comment from ChatGPT. You can see me quote it in my comment history right now, but the post is gone.