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Billions of queries becoming way more energy intensive for a feature almost nobody asked for, now the default. What the fuck are we even doing
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Submitted 6 months ago by hedge@beehaw.org to technology@beehaw.org
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ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Thalestr@beehaw.org 6 months ago
Appeasing shareholders and investors.
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 6 months ago
How? Are they expecting more ad income to offset the energy costs?
zhunk@beehaw.org 6 months ago
And it will hallucinate and give wrong answers
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Are we taking bets on how long it will be before Google Search ends up on killedbygoogle,com?
TehPers@beehaw.org 6 months ago
The sooner, the better. It’s so painful when I use Google these days. Why is it that smaller people can do seemingly obvious features like custom user-controlled site rankings, but the big players are completely incapable of that?
AceSLS@ani.social 6 months ago
Why is it that smaller people can do seemingly obvious features like custom user-controlled site rankings, but the big players are completely incapable of that?
Because that would give controll to the user. And we all know they hate us having that because they can’t shove their shit down our throats then
CyanFen@lemmy.one 6 months ago
Which searches have user controlled site ranking? It sounds amazing
darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org 6 months ago
How long before Google ends up on killedbygoogle.com?
MagicShel@programming.dev 6 months ago
I thought it was just an ad aggregator.
Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Ad and seo spam&scam websites aggregator*
circuscritic@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Awesome. Truly spectacular.
No seriously, consider that generative AI is so energy intensive ($$$), that Google is requiring users subscribe to Gemini.
Also, Google’s entire company is dependent on advertising sales. Ad sales subsidize literally everything else.
Now, Google wants to remove web results and just use generative AI instead of search as it’s default user interface.
So, like I said: Awesome.
pup_atlas@pawb.social 6 months ago
While I agree in principle, one thing I’d like to clarify is that TRAINING is super energy intensive, once the network ins trained, it’s more or less static. Actually using the network isn’t dramatically more energy than any other indexed database lookup.
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
It’s static, yes, but the static price is orders of magnitude higher. It still involves loading the whole model into VRAM and performing matrix multiplication on trillions of numbers
towerful@programming.dev 6 months ago
Training will never stop, tho.
New models will keep coming out, datasets and parameters are going to change.
slurpeesoforion@startrek.website 6 months ago
Why bother with Google at all?
ducking_donuts@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Focuses on garbage these days
eveninghere@beehaw.org 6 months ago
sometimes-correct summary without needing to click on a single result
Crazier than it sounds. We don’t see the page contents AT ALL by default.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Yet again destroying the internet even further.
No no no, you don’t want to go see pages with creative content. Stay here in my walled little garden, I have such wonders to show you
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Holy shit that picture showing where the search results will be is insane. Why even bother with any results at all?
JayDee@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
If you haven’t already, folks, switch your default search engine over to a searx. You’ll gain back the ability to actually find useful results. It’s not so good for shopping, though.
darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org 6 months ago
I wasn’t aware of this search engine. Thanks!
dangerous50@feddit.nl 6 months ago
If I were a content creator, why would I still need to let Google crawl my site. It probably won’t bring any traffic to my site.
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 months ago
Site owners haven’t figured that out yet. They still cling to the notion that search optimization works. And it still does, to some extent.
Like, if you’re a small business owner providing local services in your city and you get customers that find you through Google, what can you do except continue to optimize for Google?
dangerous50@feddit.nl 6 months ago
True. In your example, that makes sense. In cases where like newspaper/ journalism that earns ads revenue when ppl visit their articles, they will eventually lose those ads revenue when Gemini answers everything. But as u said, if they don’t let google to crawl, they lose ads revenue now. Tough choice.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
honestly i don’t think this is too big a deal - search has always been more than just results like when you could enter in an equation and get a calculator widget or currency exchange.
i do think that stagnation has hit tech companies as a whole and i think google is suffering because of it. google i/o’s and android used to be so exciting now it just feels like they’re going through the motions (apple suffers from this too).
Ilandar@aussie.zone 6 months ago
I would argue the opposite. These big companies have discovered what they believe to be the Holy Grail of technology (generative AI) and are now in a race unlike any seen before to deploy it as quickly as possible to the world and gain market dominance. Big tech is completely out of control right now, even the CEOs are describing it as “frantic” behind the scenes.
Steve@startrek.website 6 months ago
I actually appreciate the “forums” option
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 6 months ago
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The feature, renamed “AI Overview,” is here now, and it feels like the biggest change to Google Search ever. When Google decides you have an AI-appropriate query, it now takes a lot of scrolling to see web results. Page three is the bottom half of the video box, then a “Discussions and forums” section with Reddit and Quora posts. Google claims “that the links included in AI Overviews get more clicks than if the page had appeared as a traditional web listing for that query,” but that’s honestly hard to believe. When Google takes the content from one or several sites, rearranges it with AI, and displays it, in full, at the top of the results, why would any user click through? Assuming AI overview works the same way, Google has not said how it expects something like this to be sustainable for web publishers. — Saved 74% of original text.
sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 6 months ago
Google under Sundar Pichai is a terrible company that only succeeds based on its size and monopoly. Let’s be honest, they’re saying that search results will become secondary as they push their service. How do you, as a CEO and board, sign off on an idea that kills most of your (ad) revenue pursuing something that you haven’t even figured out how to monetize? Make it make sense.
master5o1@lemmy.nz 6 months ago
I read this a few weeks ago about it.
www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Great read, thank you.
doleo@lemmy.one 6 months ago
Because these mutherfuckers don’t get seats on the hype train, they buy the entire carriage.
Sabata11792@kbin.social 6 months ago
Green line go up today, get bonus. Red line tomorrow next guys problem.
petrescatraian@libranet.de 6 months ago
Oh, so they're gonna emphasize less on search results and more onto their half-arsed services that they're axing from time to time? This is so Google of them.