It doesn’t stop. It just never stops.
I loved Cities 1, I was massively looking forward to 2 but it’s been nothing but a shitshow.
I’ve also had a enough of the gaslighting around this game that somehow it’s the angry customers that are the problem.
Cities Skylines 2: "Beach properties assets are all gone and my city is screwed. Thanks a lot."
Submitted 7 months ago by FooBarrington@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
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BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 7 months ago
loobkoob@kbin.social 7 months ago
The angry customers and the state of the game are problems.
- it's hard to feel sorry for people who pre-ordered because they got exactly what they paid for - a game of unknown quality and quantity of content
- it's hard to feel sorry for people who bought post-release because they also got exactly what they paid for - a game where reviews detailed poor quality and quantity of content
- customers being disappointed and/or wanting a refund is perfectly reasonable
- people wanting the game to be better is also reasonable
- people abusing the devs is not reasonable
I'm not going to defend the poor quality of the game because it's obviously bad (from what I gather, anyway - I've not played it myself) and should be improved. But I do think gamers could learn to be a little more responsible with their purchases and inform themselves before buying a game.
I'm pretty over the whole cycle of games coming out and not meeting expectations, people buying them anyway (through pre-orders or day-one purchases), people being unnecessarily rude/hostile/sending death threats to developers as if they were forced to buy the game as gunpoint. Yes, developers should try to do better, yes publishers should often give developers more time to polish up games rather than announcing the release date two years in advance and refusing to delay, but also consumers could really take some responsibility for what they decide to give money to.
systemglitch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Your opinion is stupid, bevause these people SHOULD be putting this negative pressure on them. It’s deserved and the louder they are the better.
ArumiOrnaught@kbin.social 7 months ago
The last time I believed trailers was dead island.
The only reason why I played cs1 so much was because of the mods. I like to play the vanilla game before modding. I bought the game knowing that I would like it for a month or two, then I would wait for mods to come out and I'd hop back into it. I knew what I was getting and I didn't have a problem with the game. I don't need a city builder to be high frames. I didn't have a lot of bugs. I'm totally fine with the game, as long as the modding scene stays with the game.
My worry is that all the negativity around the game will make less modders appear for cs2.
Looking back at other city builders releases cs2 release is fine. I don't understand the extent of negativity. Just ask for a refund. If the game gets better with age then buy it when it is cheaper. I'm sure these people have other games to play. CS1 seems to be popular still. Nothing happened to that game.
Psythik@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That said, I just fired up the game yesterday for the first time since launch and was surprised by how much progress was being made. I was surprised to find that mod support is already available; I thought it was still a work in progress cause I didn’t hear anything about it. You think that Paradox would have been making a huge announcement about it since it’s a huge important thing, but if they did, I surely can’t find it on their website nor on the produce page in Steam.
I was also surprised to find that my performance issues were fixed too. Now getting a solid 40-60 FPS on high settings with a medium-sized city @ 4K. Not bad, given that I usually averaged 20-30 on the same machine in C:S1.
Now all they gotta do is make the economy easier to understand. I still don’t get how I can be losing money every month, yet my balance keeps going up. But other than that, all of my complaints with the game have been fixed. If anyone reading this hasn’t played the game in several months, I suggest you give it a try again. You might be pleasantly surprised.
Lizardking27@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I think we need to admit that paradox is a shitty greedy company that cares more about selling a million DLCs than they do about making a quality product.
Paradox’s business practices have always been greedy and over monetized. Not sure why anyone is surprised their latest product sucks.
griD@feddit.de 7 months ago
Hmm, I’ve only played Stellaris from this company and that game is great. A bit pricey with all the DLC, but the alternative of releasing a new Stellaris every few years probably amounts to the same.
Also, I’d rather play a well fleshed out 8 year old game, than getting a bare boned husk with each iteration - which sadly tends to be the norm for 4x games.Lizardking27@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“A bit pricey”
My dude stellaris+all DLC is $350!
Furthermore, “releasing a new stellaris every few years” is not the only alternative. Look at all the games that exist that have regular free content updates.
Paradox needs to do better.
wahming@monyet.cc 7 months ago
300 USD… a ‘little’ pricey
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
The link suggests the opposite of what you’re claiming
you were of course supposed to keep access to the Beach Properties content until the patch that moves it to the base game arrived. Assets are replaced by the placeholder boxes, but as the waterfront zoning isn’t available in the base game yet, I recommend holding off on loading saves with a lot of those zones.
Putting dlc content into the base game doesn’t sound like they are trying to sell millions of dlc
SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Only because there was major backlash for releasing dlc content before the base game is even in a finished state and is still missing content that players feel should be in the base game.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 months ago
In hearts of iron they always made sure to drop free content along with the paid content.
4am@lemm.ee 7 months ago
CSII has been a shitshow, and the devs rightfully should be ashamed, but honestly reading the comments on that forum makes me really not feeb bad for a lot of those people doing the complaining.
Like yeah the game is broken, you got an incomplete product, and it’s ok to be upset. They didn’t fucking kill your dog, there’s no need to fucking dig into them quite so hard, dude. Stop acting like your abusive parents did to you.
Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
I think you need to re-read the linked thread. Nobody’s as extreme as you’re making them out to be.
The complaints are fairly level headed. I’ve seen worse in Amazon product reviews.
systemglitch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They have every right to do exactly what you say they shouldn’t. Get off your high horse.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 7 months ago
You’re saying if someone sells you a shitty blender or toaster you can kill their dog?
Woozythebear@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Found the CS2 dev
B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I haven’t played it yet and every time I get reminded of the game it’s because of something like this…
weeahnn@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This will only stop once the DLCs start rolling out in earnest. (Or probably not, it’s PDX)
Its kinda crazy how badly CS2 got messed up.
Nibodhika@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Long story short:
- CO released an unoptimized game
- Community complained
- CO vowed to fix it before releasing DLCs
- CO released an assets only DLC
- Community complained they broke their promise
- CO tried to explain it’s different teams
- Community kept complaining
- CO refunded the DLC for everyone and removed it from Steam and will add the content for free in the next update
- Community gets refund and assets become gray boxes until the new version is released
- Community complains about grey boxes
Yes, CO did bad releasing an unoptimized game, but if you put pressure for a cosmetic DLC to be removed you can’t be angry that they removed said DLC.
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes, CO did bad releasing an unoptimized game, but if you put pressure for a cosmetic DLC to be removed you can’t be angry that they removed said DLC.
I strongly disagree with this for two reasons:
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Nobody put pressure on them to remove the content from the game. “Removing the DLC” can be done in productive or non-productive ways, the latter of which happened here - a better solution would be to set it as non-buyable on Steam and wait with refunds until the patch has been released which allows people to continue playing.
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It’s not just grey boxes (which would be bad enough on its own - these people paid for the content, there’s no technical reason for them not to have it right now) - the CO employee literally says:
Assets are replaced by the placeholder boxes, but as the waterfront zoning isn’t available in the base game yet, I recommend holding off on loading saves with a lot of those zones.
So the people who bought the shitty DLC, as in the die-hard fans, can’t play on their saves due to COs fuckup.
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Dendr0@fedia.io 7 months ago
CO and Paradox are a public joke at this point. The only value they bring to the gaming community these days is the entertainment derived from shitting on their inept public relations.
Lizardking27@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Only someone with zero context would try to claim that. You must be completely unfamiliar with paradox games.
sukhmel@programming.dev 7 months ago
screenshot of a comment in the thread mocking a reply from developer: “Change management is particularly difficult with games like Cities Skylines 2. It’s the most complete in depth city simulation ever written. There are a lot of moving parts and with its agent based deep simulation change management is a challenge. It’s difficult to see in advance that removing game assets from the game will result in the unavailability of said assets in game. No doubt the there there was a change management procedure prepared in advance that was reviewed by all stakeholders. But this was such an edge case, removing assets resulting in the unavailability of said assets in game, that this interruption simply couldn’t have been for foreseen. It won’t be long now. In last week’s update CO announced its intent to form an advisory panel, including members of the Cities community. CO will be able to leverage this expertise when formulating its rollback strategy. It’s a solid bet that forming this advisory panel will be on COs agenda in the next couple weeks and we will see content creators showcasing a pre-release rollback in the months that follow. CO has committed to fixing core game features before the release of Bridges and Piers in Q1 of 2025 and we have every reason to believe this commitment is firm. Certainly we will see Beach Properties assets return to Skylines 2 by Q4 2024 or at the latest as an update to the base game released simultaneously with Bridges and Piers in Q1 of 2025.”
This is just gold 🤣
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 7 months ago
God, how can someone be so blind?
They couldn’t foresee issues created by removing assets, in a game that is supposed to support user mods, which can be added/removed at any time? Really?
The explanation I’ve seen is that they wanted to pull the DLC as soon as possible, since it was - literally - the worst-rated product on Steam. I’m 99% sure the bean counters responsible for all of the terrible decisions (release the game, no matter what state! Release the DLC, no matter the amount of content!) pulled the lever on this one again - no chance they’ll see any responsibility with themselves.
lanolinoil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
surely this is satire no?
Summzashi@lemmy.one 7 months ago
Wooooooooooooooosh
Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Wait, but if they pulled the game from Steam shouldn’t the owners still keep the game (DLC in this case) on their libraries?
FalseMyrmidon@kbin.run 7 months ago
Not everything needs a change management procedure, calm down there Satan.
originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 7 months ago
But…but software development absolutely does
dinckelman@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Truth be told, i don’t have an ounce of care in me about this community council. I want them to make a product that was advertised, because so far it’s just a scam of colossal orders of magnitude (ha)