Comment on These dames wanting inclusivity

rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think “vag havers” is the preferred nomenclature.

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  • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Vager?

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    • SARGE@startrek.website ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      V’Ger? ominous noises in the background

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    • PlexSheep@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Pascals vager

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  • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I prefer “pussy owners”, sounds funnier.

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• thebestaquaman@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  When did “people with vaginas” unironically become a way to refer to anyone, especially as an alternative to “female”?

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  • 3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    People with vaginas is the right terminology if discussing something that pertains to vaginas. Eg. “People with vaginas should make sure to see a gynecologist regularly.” in this case, saying “women” would exclude/misgender many trans and intersex people who have vaginas but are not women, while also including some women who do not have vaginas and would not need to see a gynecologist

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    • user224@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The person you replied to said “female” though. As far as I know, “Man”/“Woman” is on the gender side while “Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.

      Although taking all three into account may just make it hard to determine. But it does imply that “male woman” and “female man” are also valid combinations.

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      • MBM@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “Male”/“Female” is on the sex side, based purely on things like reproductive organs, chromosomes and hormones.

        Not really, I don’t think. They’re just the adjectives where woman/man are the nouns. If you talk about a male coworker I assume he’s a man, not that you checked his birth certificate.

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      • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Male and Female are still normative exclusionary categories that describe trends within physiology and not hard rules or limits. Sex is not a golden rule. It is a human created category in the same way gender is.

        If you want to talk about specific anatomy there is no reason why you can’t talk about the anatomy you’re referring to.

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      • 3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Sex is a lot more complicated than male/female. There’s a bunch of different sex characteristics that make up “sex” and people can have all sorts of different combinations of them. If you just use a male/female binary, that doesn’t tell people what sex characteristic you’re referring to. Maybe something affects people based on chromosones, in which case people who are xy but otherwise “female” (like with cais) would go in the “male” category and vice versa. Or maybe something affects people based on hormones, in which case transgender people taking hrt would have to be categorized based on that. If you say “male/female”, no one knows if you’re talking about hormones, or genitals, or chromosones, or gonads, or whatever else, so it’s best to be specific and use language like “people with [body part]”

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  • rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    well sometimes u need to refer to ppl who have a vagina, because having a vagina is somehow relevant to the topic of conversation. which in my experience comes up very rarely, so i dont have to use it very often.

    some people who have vaginas arent women, and so if the topic includes those ppl, then “people with vaginas” is the perfect phrase to use. and if talking about ppl with vaginas who all identify as women, cis women is more fitting.

    “female” is a very vague way of referring to something. some ppl use it to describe gender identity, others use it to talk about ppl with vaginas, others again use it to refer to ppl with estrogen-dominant hormonal systems, etc. etc.

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  • Doomsider@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    When the genital sexuals came on the scene. You know the ones who want to check everyone’s genitals to make sure they are what they say they are. The ones who are only attracted to the genitals, they could care less what is attached to them.

    For them genitals is life and they have infiltrated our government to pass laws like bathroom bills. This will allow them to examine everyone’s genitals. So far they appear to be winning and everyone’s genitals will soon be seen them.

    The Genital Safety Administration (GSA) will need to have a booth in front of our bathrooms there to perform their checks. Another genital sexual licking their lips in anticipation next time you have to drop a deuce.

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• Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Casual erasure of post-op trans people is really fascinating to me. Like, how did our culture shift from the first thing people think about trans people being “have you had tHe sURgErY yet???” to “if you have a vagina and are a woman you are cis”?

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  • rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    i know this is an old comment, but i wanted to reply anyway. im sorry for my comment. i hadnt thought about post-op trans ppl at all.

    to clarify however, it wasnt the “first thing” i thought abt trans ppl, im trans myself actually.

    i guess ive had too much contact with pre-op or never-op trans ppl and too little with post-op ppl to have this on my radar.

    i will try to be better in the future!

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