Remember when the entire world was convinced there was absolutely no way Bush, an idiot, could get re-elected?
Comment on In the US, is this actually the moment past the point of no return?
Apepollo11@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
From an outsider’s perspective, I think a lot of people think you guys sailed past the point of no return back in the 80s.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
kitnaht@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Nobody thought that at all. Most presidents sitting during outbreaks of war retain their positions. You’d have to have been in a complete echo chamber to believe this stance.
wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Yeah no, I’m gonna disagree. Being outside of the US at the time, most people did think that. And yes, obviously I’m talking about Jr since Sr didn’t get re-elected. 9/11 was a full three years before the election of his second term.
kitnaht@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It was viewed as illegitimate inside the US too. And yeah, I remember, even as a 17yr old at the time, seeing the event happen live and lamenting to my mother that we were going to have another Bush term over it. Historically for America that’s always been the case.
Today@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Nucular. 🤦
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
What?!
The 80s were fucked, but if you’re saying it was worse than the response to the Civil Rights movement…
McCarthyism…
Jim Crow…
Or the KKK destroying reconstruction…
Like, I could see saying that last one was the point, only if you start the clock immediately after resolving the civil war. Cause obviously a Civil War is what really happens after a point of no return. We lasted a couple years in between the two points.
For as fucked as the last 40 years has been, as far as America goes we’re beating the average on basic human decency.
What’s happening now isn’t new, it’s a slip backwards, which is unfortunately common when you try to fight fascism with moderate politics. It works for a little bit because they’re coasting off the last people who really fought. But all moderate politcs really are, is giving fascist time to regroup in the shadows like fucking Sauron.
It’s a cycle, and we live in a time when you can learn pretty much anything about history in a few minutes on Wikipedia
America can not afford for voters to stay ignorant. We need people who know what happened last time, what worked then, and what might work again. Stop acting like we live in unprecedented times, and start reading up on how fascism has been defeated historically.
Cuz we’re up, like it or not shits getting real again. And the more people know what we’re doing then better.
Zip2@feddit.uk 4 weeks ago
You mean the 1780s, right?
Magister@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Reagan, he is the starting point of everything: the tax cut from 73% to 28%. USA never got back on track after this.
NABDad@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Nope. Johnson.
No, not that one.
Andrew Johnson.
So many ways it could have been better.
He could have punished the Southern Aristocracy for starting the civil war. He could have ensured that the evil that led us there was exterminated forever.
Failing that, they could have actually removed him via impeachment instead of falling just short. That would have at least established forever that the presidency is not some sacred “unimpeachable” office.
I_Miss_Daniel@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
But Raygun did a great break dancing set in the Olympics.