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Hellinabucket@lemmy.world 2 months agoAbsolutely nothing.
j4k3@lemmy.world 2 months ago
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Steam Deck is not any closer to real ownership than Xbox or PlayStation. Video Games have had “non-ownership” clauses in their EULAs long before the Xbox or PlaysStation existed, sadly.
garretble@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Everyone on Lemmy either says one of two things when any console news is posted:
- Build a Linux gaming rig!
- Get a Steam Deck!
On the second point, you are right. You are trading licensing games from Sony or MS to licensing games from Gabe and his yachts.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
People have a hard on for steam though so they give it a pass for everything.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 2 months ago
DRM on Steam is a choice made by the game publishers selling on Steam
Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The difference being that some Steam games are DRM free, so de facto you do have full ownership of what you buy (just like with GOG), as long you have a copy for the files.
Gerudo@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Yeah, you’re just flat wrong. MAYBE GoG has the least worst licensing around. A decent number of titles I’ve seen on there don’t have DRM. Also itch.io and direct patreon/kickstarter purchases too. Any other platform, and unless specifically stated, you are just borrowing the game until they decide otherwise.
He’ll, even physical purchases don’t guarantee a game forever, the publisher or dev may turn off a server that just straight kills it.
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
A decent number of titles I’ve seen on there don’t have DRM.
Which games on GOG do you think have DRM? GOG’s whole deal is they sell DRM-free games.
Gerudo@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I just didn’t want to make a blanket statement since I didn’t know if it was every title or not.
_Sprite@lemmy.world 2 months ago
most people just wanna play games man
garretble@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I did a quick search on how many PlayStation Plus subscribers there are, and according to one site as of March 2023 there were 47M worldwide.
So just a small community.
j4k3@lemmy.world 2 months ago
(47m/8b) × 100 = 0.5875% of the world. Those numbers are likely total accounts as well and nowhere near the real active users. I bet many of these are also systems with multiple users or users with multiple accounts. Reported numbers are usually unverified and inflating them as much as possible is in the best interest of Sony on may fronts.
It is neither here nor there. I used to love the first few generations of PS stuff, but I really see no reason for consoles like these any more. I owned everything I played back then. I find it rather pathetic that my right to own has been stolen.
I’m presently taking a snack break from Cataclysm DDA after tracking down foods with better iron content in the game. Under that I have a bash script and Emacs running with my mods to the game. I’ve been playing all afternoon and making little odds and ends for the game. Sorry if my perspective from a non dystopian space rubs the wrong way. What I’m doing isn’t for everyone, but if everyone had some better self control and the character to stand up for themselves, you will find that you get your rights back from these asshats, or you will get them from the next generation of platforms that rise from the ashes. The only terms that actually matter are the ones you’re willing to put money into. I back up that statement. I’m on a 12th gen Intel with 16 GB GPU. I would be playing AAA titles but there are no game manufacturers. I don’t care if I’m the only person unwilling to adopt feudalism and serve some tyrant overlord on their yacht. So be it.
garretble@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ok.
60fpsrefugee@lemm.ee 2 months ago
So the title is just straight up a lie?
Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I am trying to think of scenarios where this will screw with normal users because companies never do moves like this unless they’re after some sort of grift.
But I am not seeing it at present. Maybe I’m just too tired and my brain isn’t working, but if a game is downloaded digitally and the license comes with it, there’s effectively no difference. Take it offline, you still have the license, no issues.
The only potential impact I can think of is if you have two users on a console that is the home console for neither person, and both of them bought the same game digitally. User 1 downloads the game, the license comes with it, and they take the console offline. User 2 then uses the console, tries to play the game they own, and gets a license error because the console is offline and doesn’t know they own it and therefore it can only be played by the person who downloaded it. But I think that’s how it works already, since User 2 would still need the console to be online to import their licenses.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Is this an actual edge case?:
Someone whose hard drive is full and buys a bunch of new games and wants to go play PS5 at a cabin in the woods
Venator@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
But you’d still need to download the games onto the ps5 in the cabin in the woods, assuming this doesn’t apply to games on disc.
slimerancher@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, they would get unpatched games which won’t be playable anyway 😀
But no, this only happens for downloaded game, and even then it’s generally for games you have downloaded as part of subscription. If you stay offline for long period of times (don’t know exact time these days, but I think it’s at least more than a month), then PS needs to recheck if you still have the subscription, or if the game is still present in subscription.
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I could be wrong but it seems like before, licenses for games you owned but hadn’t downloaded were already loaded o to your account when you logged in. So in your example, if user 2 bought a game and didn’t download it on that console, then user 1 bought and downloaded it and took the PS5 offline, user 2 could still play it because his license was already there. Now, user 2 has to go online to grab the license first.
Seems like it will have a minimal impact.
Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And only if the PS5 isn’t user 1’s home console, which if it is, the license extends to any other user on that console.
yamanii@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What this means is that you can’t restore your games from backup while offline because uninstalling them also removes the license, forcing you to put the console online again to download it again.
ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 2 months ago
To be fair, I’m pretty sure that’s how PS5 handled that scenario even before this update.
Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s the same conclusion I arrived at, but wasn’t 100% sure. Since the act of downloading a game and the act of obtaining/transferring licenses both require the console to be online, I couldn’t see what the user impact would be, even if the order it does them is switched.
yamanii@lemmy.world 2 months ago
How is it a lie? Jailbreakers played their digital games offline fine before this, and now they have a headache, making it harder.