Comment on Anon quits their job

• oce@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  To be fair this is a counterpart of being harder to get fired compared to some USA states. It makes the economy less fast to adjust but it makes people’s life less stressful.

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  • Draghetta@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    IDK my man, having three months of forewarning for resignation sounds pretty cool to me. I don’t really see it as a downside. Especially in Italian law, where you can avoid making things awkward by agreeing with your employer to make the resignation time as short as you both want, as long as those three months are paid out. Blessed.

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    • oce@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It could make you miss you a job opening that needs someone earlier. Hadn’t have the issue myself, but I guess it happens.

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      • Draghetta@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        If you’re hopping within the country, usually the local culture is adapted. I never had issues with it, employers expect you to have a resignation period.

        Plus as I was saying companies don’t really like to have a working quitter, so they will usually negotiate for that time to be shortened. Maybe one month so you can transfer your knowledge to somebody else, then you’re out - with the three months money, naturally.

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      • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        You wouldn’t because everyone is expecting you to do the right, corporate thing, so they’ll gladly wait for you to gracefully terminate your old job.

        In tech anyways.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Let’s say you have an opportunity to work somewhere else making 2x more, but you have to wait 3 months. Or let’s say your boss really sucks, but you have to tough it out for 3 months. Or let’s say a close family member dies but your company won’t give you time off to grieve, you just have to put that off for 3 months.

      How productive do you think you’d be in those 3 months? I can’t speak for you, but I certainly wouldn’t be giving it my all…

      In the US, there’s no minimum for most industries, but 2-weeks is expected (6-weeks in health care apparently). I think anyone can put up with almost anything for 2-weeks, and the 2-weeks isn’t even required, it’s just expected. And honestly, every time we had someone resign, we won’t trust them with new projects anyway, so they end up doing very little for most of those 2-weeks.

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  • SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Europe’s economy is like an old Volvo. It’s slow but full of safety features in case your hit something. USA’s economy is like a classic Ford Mustang. It goes really fast on the straight but when you hit a bump things can go horribly wrong quickly. ~Mark Blyth

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• rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Depends on the country. Where I live, the maximum is 30 days, unless both the employer and the employee agree on a different period.

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  • Draghetta@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yes of course it does, but standardised employment contract are rather common in Europe - at least in the few countries I worked in, YMMV. There are exceptions of course, but I imagine for Americans the idea of state laws mandating your entitlement to three months of salaries plus severance money must sound outlandish.

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    • cheddar@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Stop calling it Europe then, you’re referring to 2-3 specific countries. There are very different laws and ideas about the “standardized” contract in different countries.

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• OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I don’t know what are you talking about. In my country the standard is two weeks and max one month in special cases. I’ve participated in the hiring of multiple people from different European countries and they never asked for more than one month to join in, except when they wanted to relocate.

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  • oce@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    In France, the standard for software engineers is 3 months. Verified with this official source code.travail.gouv.fr/outils/preavis-demission.

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    • OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      That’s crazy. So if they present a same day resignation note they have to pay a three month salary penalty? That’s just companies stealing workers’ money.

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      • oce@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I don’t think I understand your comment, who has to pay a penalty? Who’s stealing? You can’t do a same day resignation unless the companies agree. If they don’t agree, they can ask you to keep working for 3 months, and if you don’t come to work, they may declare you abandoned your job. Then, they don’t have to pay you, but you’re still officially an employee so you can’t legally start a new contract, they may also sue you for damage.

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      • OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        No, not at all.

        If the company fire you they have to pay you, e.g., three months notice, regardless of if they want you to do the work or not.

        If you quit without notice, you might have to pay the costs incurred by you quitting early, but that’s not your salary -because they wouldn’t be paying you in the first place.

        Costs might be something like having to refuse an order because you now don’t have enough people to do the work, or the increased cost of an expedited hiring process.

        I don’t know how common costs are in France, but the UK has the same rules and essentially no one ever claims costs. You need to really fuck over your employee in a very explicit and well documented way for this to even be considered.

        The main disadvantage is you will have a bad reference if you leave without notice.

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• slaacaa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I have 6 months in Germany, all managers at my company get this. I find it a bit too much, but it can usually be negotiated

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• TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  India too.

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