Some people are not mature enough to handle the vegan perspective.
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PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Isn’t this something that the fediverse was explicitly designed to support?
We’re making fun of them for making use of one of the foundational features of the platform?
If they don’t like it there, they can move again. And again. Or host their own instance.
Idk what this creepy vicarious butthurt is about, or why it has become so popular.
Beaver@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Yes, this is a feature of the fediverse, and we’re celebrating it here.
When shitty toxic communities create issues for the wider Lemmyverse, instance admins can lay down some ultimatums.
On the toxic community’s instance, the instance’s admins can demand that the toxic community correct their behavior, or the community and its offending users will get banned.
On other instances, offending communities can be blocked, and if users are regularly misbehaving, instance admins can pressure each other to enforce basic community conduct, or face defederation.
Once a community is given an ultimatum, they can either change their behavior to meet the expectations of the wider Lemmyverse, or they can find an instance that will allow their behavior.
If they choose to migrate to another instance, it will likely be a more extremist instance with poor moderation that has been significantly defederated. They have to exist within that narrow network of fringe instances now, giving them significantly less reach to harass or spread disinfo or whatever got them booted from the last place they called home.
And us users play a central role here. When we see communities doing harm, whether they are endorsing fascism, or pedophilia, or animal abuse, we need to stay “not here you don’t” and demand that action be taken.
When those communities end up migrating to some fringe instance full of dipshits, we need to applaud the mods and admins that sent them there, and let them know that their hard work was appreciated.
Federation works. Every fringe community in exile is proof of that. This is all one big community effort, so we can’t stay silent about what’s happening and expect that it all gets taken care of behind the scenes.
Beaver@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Nah, eating and using animals is the extremist way of doing things.
Corgana@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
If they choose to migrate to another instance, it will likely be a more extremist instance with poor moderation that has been significantly defederated.
In theory this is how it should work, but in practice the toxic people tend to move to general purpose more laissez-faire places like .world or .ml, which makes de-federating and cutting off 30% of all users a difficult decision for anyone trying to have a community.
The answer is less centralization, but that can’t be forced. beehaw.org (for example) made the decision to cut off .world and they are better for it. But they are a large-ish instance in their own right.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
So if you dont agree with someone they are an extremist, got it.
You are aware vegan cats exist right? Like its already a thing, and its being studied.
news.uoguelph.ca/…/u-of-g-researchers-first-to-st…
Y’all are so confidently wrong about stuff its crazy, and then y’all pat yourselves in the back for all grouping up and agreeing together.
Just because a lot of people are on one side of a position does not make it the right position, you must be aware there is more to think about right?
Corgana@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
I didn’t say extremist I said toxic but really anyone who’s poorly socialized will go where they’re allowed, which in Lemmy terms means general catch-all instances with loose moderation like .world and .ml.
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
One study estimated 1% of cat owners feed their cat a vegan diet. Why do you think that might be? Are they all extremist animal abusers? Or is it possible you had an assumption that turned out to be wrong and now don’t know how to reconcile?
knatsch@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
One study estimated
ok, you already lost me
yeather@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yes, if you are not feeding your pet a proper diet and arw allowing it to suffer, you are an animal abuser.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sure you can ally yourself with the CCP and that might be totally legal (if they collect any personal data and send it overseas to China then that would be breaking the law but it’s unlikely) but that doesn’t mean it isn’t frowned upon.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
That’s a stretch, but even assuming it’s true, why do you care enough about their community to frown upon it?
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have opinions on a lot of things that don’t effect me at all. Palestinian genocide, Uighurs in sweatshops, child labor laws in other states, homeless people being harassed, the socioeconomic shift of Hong Kong losing independent legal rights.
I can respect their freedom to ally themselves to people who wish them direct harm, but I also have the freedom to express my disappointment in them.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It’s just disguised metadrama. They joined the instances this instance doesn’t like.
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
And so they’re moving, and somehow y’all are… Upset about it??? Make it make sense
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I don’t see anyone upset about it.
Making fun of them, yes. But not upset.PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Making fun of them for doing what you want?
Or do you want them to stay?
HRDS_654@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes and no. The theory is that each instance is supposed to be more specialized, kind of like the old BBS that used to be rampant on the internet. If you are moving to an instance just because people disagree with you instead to have more discussion over a specific topic that is not really in line with the purpose of the fediverse.
WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Circle jerking against vegans is a pasttime of the Internet denizens
PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but it’s a pretty pathetic passtime. At least find a good reason, rather than doing literally the thing you want them to do.
Like, insulting them for leaving is just as bad as them crying that their toxic behavior scares people away. It makes no sense.
socsa@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I mean this kind of a perfect example of doing the thing where you blow shit up over an extremely pedantic issue which is at best tangentially related to the core ethic, specifically because you view nuance itself as a threat. As far as purity tests dissolving into self parody, I'm not sure there's a better example for veganism.
And I say this as a person who otherwise sympathizes with vegans, but often finds them insufferable. Self awareness is the vaccine to self parody.
Beaver@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
People do not understand vegans. As cats can be healthy on a plant-based diet with taurine which is supported by science yet people are saying we’re animal abusers spreading misinformation lol
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
this reads like cope.
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because it is
abbadon420@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Like a family camping trip, classic fun. Pitch a tent, start a fire, roast some vegans and sing kumbaya