Most people are not
prepared forinterested in a conversation on veganism.
Vegans have been
refining these argumentspreaching at people who didn’t ask for a decade now
and can present
clear sharp moral stances with a counter to everythingpresent you as a gleefully evil animal abuser no matter what you have to say.
They also have the easier side to argue.
That part is arguably true. Which is all the more reason for evangelical vegans NOT to have to behave like they’re missionaries educating savages every time they manage to trick a non-vegan into engaging with them.
Dietary choices, religions, and dietary choices treated as if they were a religion are like penises: it’s fine that you have them and it’s super that you enjoy them, but you are not allowed to try to force them on me without my consent.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
this doesn’t make them right, and in fact often leads them to use easily debunked but rhetorically impressive arguments. that’s called sophistry.
Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
I disagree. The arguments vegans use are far more morally consistent and thought out than non vegans. Non vegans don’t reason themselves into the position and often don’t have a good justification for why they’re not vegan. When they are pushed they fall apart instantly.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
it’s true that vegans often think far more about the moral arguments around veganism. i, however, find the arguments to be unconvincing, and often sophistic.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
most of the time, maybe. but ex-vegans certainly do, among others.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
The rhetorically impressive and easily debunked argument:
A) Slavery of sentient beings is wrong
B) Animals are sentient
∴ Enslaving animals is wrong
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
i used a plural. it’s not just one argument. you’re not being very honest about the breadth of the arguments made.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
animal agriculture isn’t slavery. i don’t believe even vegans believe this syllogism rings true. if they did, we’d have a lot more harriet tubmans and a lot fewer tash petersons.