Comment on Those poor plants

• FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ah yes, the old “I accidentally stepped on a fly, might as well exterminate the whole biosphere” defense

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  • ignotum@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “our new cancer drug is 99% effective!”

    “So it doesn’t work in 1% of cases? Then what’s the point, throw it away, we just have to accept that cancer is going to happen”

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  • mildlyusedbrain@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    These arguments are exactly why people hate vegans. It’s nonsense.

    Not only do you jump to an insane straw man. You showcase that you ignore a clear increasing contradiction around your world view and choose reactionary nothing.

    If you care about life realize the harder question. If you care about the environment realize clear inefficiencues. Currently, you showcase nothing more than crude thoughtlessness.

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    • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not a vegan but it’s foolish to think that vegans aren’t objectively correct. Let’s even say that plants are conscious beings on the level of cows or pigs. The conditions these plants are grown in are a million times better than that of the average factory farm animal. Additionally, in order to sustain ourselves on cows and pigs, exponentially more of these conscious plants need to be killed to fatten the conscious animals we are eating.

      If we just ate the plants instead there would be several orders of magnitude less suffering in the word, antibiotic resistant bacteria would be a less immediate issue, a significant amount of our greenhouse gas emissions would disappear, and we’d all probably be healthier to boot.

      Yes, something has to die in order for any organism to continue it’s existence. Let’s not pretend that only plants dying are a better alternative in every way to animals dying in order to further our collective existence. You accuse vegans of being reactionary but your comment smacks of knee-jerky defensiveness for something you seem to understand is wrong

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      • potpotato@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Devil’s advocate: are they a million times better?

        Monocultures, moldboard plowing destroying soil structure and creating an Ap horizon, organics depletion and excessive application of synthetic fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides…

        Suspending any personal beliefs in the matter, it is truly easier to empathize with people, mammals, then others animals because we better understand their experience. We cannot understand the abstractions of a plant’s lived experience. Humans are only just starting to examine the intricacies of plant familial systems through root and mycorrhizal networks.

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    • BlackDragon@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not only do you jump to an insane straw man.

      It wasn’t an insane strawman though? It was literally the argument they made. Something has to die for you to eat, therefore it doesn’t matter how many things you kill or how necessary those deaths are. The fact that you must kill something absolves you of any guilt for any amount of killing, is the ridiculous argument the person made (and which carnists often make) which we are making fun of for being obviously evil and wrong.

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      • mildlyusedbrain@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It is - it’s a super affirmative position. It takes an extreme position within the sphere it’s trying to criticize to make an exaggerated point to attack. It’s literally a classic strawman.

        Your follow up is in the same vein. Its empty rhetoric

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    • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not a vegan. This was literally the argument they made.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This logic doesn’t make sense in any other context. Like, if I say we should try to reduce CO2 levels in the atmosphere, you could point out that emitting CO2 is a fundamental part of human life, so something something virtue signaling blah blah blah. Just because something is unavoidable to a certain degree doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to minimize it.

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• ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Or maybe there’s happy middle where everyone can live comfortably while keeping the harm we cause at a minimum

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• SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We as humans are blessed with the ability to choose how we interact with these “facts of life”.

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