Comment on Those poor plants

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Or maybe its just a fundamental fact of life that something has to die in order for you to live and virtue signaling about the degree to which you participate in that death is a pointless exercise.

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  • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ah yes, the old “I accidentally stepped on a fly, might as well exterminate the whole biosphere” defense

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    • ignotum@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      “our new cancer drug is 99% effective!”

      “So it doesn’t work in 1% of cases? Then what’s the point, throw it away, we just have to accept that cancer is going to happen”

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    • mildlyusedbrain@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      These arguments are exactly why people hate vegans. It’s nonsense.

      Not only do you jump to an insane straw man. You showcase that you ignore a clear increasing contradiction around your world view and choose reactionary nothing.

      If you care about life realize the harder question. If you care about the environment realize clear inefficiencues. Currently, you showcase nothing more than crude thoughtlessness.

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      • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m not a vegan but it’s foolish to think that vegans aren’t objectively correct. Let’s even say that plants are conscious beings on the level of cows or pigs. The conditions these plants are grown in are a million times better than that of the average factory farm animal. Additionally, in order to sustain ourselves on cows and pigs, exponentially more of these conscious plants need to be killed to fatten the conscious animals we are eating.

        If we just ate the plants instead there would be several orders of magnitude less suffering in the word, antibiotic resistant bacteria would be a less immediate issue, a significant amount of our greenhouse gas emissions would disappear, and we’d all probably be healthier to boot.

        Yes, something has to die in order for any organism to continue it’s existence. Let’s not pretend that only plants dying are a better alternative in every way to animals dying in order to further our collective existence. You accuse vegans of being reactionary but your comment smacks of knee-jerky defensiveness for something you seem to understand is wrong

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      • BlackDragon@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Not only do you jump to an insane straw man.

        It wasn’t an insane strawman though? It was literally the argument they made. Something has to die for you to eat, therefore it doesn’t matter how many things you kill or how necessary those deaths are. The fact that you must kill something absolves you of any guilt for any amount of killing, is the ridiculous argument the person made (and which carnists often make) which we are making fun of for being obviously evil and wrong.

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      • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’m not a vegan. This was literally the argument they made.

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This logic doesn’t make sense in any other context. Like, if I say we should try to reduce CO2 levels in the atmosphere, you could point out that emitting CO2 is a fundamental part of human life, so something something virtue signaling blah blah blah. Just because something is unavoidable to a certain degree doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to minimize it.

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  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Or maybe there’s happy middle where everyone can live comfortably while keeping the harm we cause at a minimum

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  • SketchySeaBeast@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We as humans are blessed with the ability to choose how we interact with these “facts of life”.

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  unless the point is that consciousness is not a disqualifying trait to become foid

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  • rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It wasn’t for the donner party.

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• x4740N@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Well a salad is made of cells that have responses to certain stimuli

  The brain if you where to go and simplify it down to its most very basic layer is just responses to stimili

  The brain is a collection of responses to stimuli that together create a kind of network that can respond to stimuli in complex ways

  Plants are a collection of cells that respond to stimuli

  So they very well will likely to be conscious on some level

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  • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The above comment is made of glyphs arranged to convey meaning. The Code of Hammurabi is made of glyphs arranged to convey meaning.

    So the comment will very well be likely a significant contribution to human culture.

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    • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So the comment will very well be likely a significant contribution to human culture.

      i think statistically it would be insignificant based on the sheer amount of written material out there, so it should actually be a function of how long the work is, plus how long it’s been around for, the longer it is, and the longer its been around for, the more complete of a historical document we have.

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