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flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz âš3â© âšmonthsâ© ago
If someone needs another existental crisis hereâs a prompt:
Models. Humans hold models of the world in their minds, math helps you understand and create more complex and consistent models. You always exist in a simulation of your own construction to make sense of the universe.
My feeling is that no model can ever fully capture a complete description of reality, the information isnât compressible to such a degree that approximations or abstractions can be lossless.
Most of what we consider to be invention is merely combinatoric novelty.
How we express math is particular to us, though itâd be commonly decipherable. Math is more and more globally standardized as more of it gets globally acknowledged as âthe most usefulâ way to do math. E.g. place holder 0 vs Roman Numerals. Ratios are conceptually universal to any species that bothers measuring. Quantification maybe less so. Especially if their comprehension of advanced sciences/engineering is somehow intuitive instead of formally calculated. // If a space faring species has a concept of proportions/ratios, but not individual identity of numbers, presenting Meters as a portion of the speed of light might be a universal way discern the rest of our math. Water as Liters might be more accessible, depending on how they think of water. // Sets and Axioms are purely conceptually representative and so viable as long as theyâre capable of symbolic abstraction at all.
Universal. How else would you calculate or solve equations?
Like our ancestors with goat entrails and a magic talking stick.
The rules are the same. Add 3 to 5 and youâll always have 8. Geometric calculations canât change how they work either. Etc.
Good thing physicists solved that problem already; if everything is made up and can only be observed through our preconceived notions and thereâs no way to prove a world beyond them, then it doesnât matter. The universe we can observe is reality and everything beyond that is beyond meaningful definition and is therefore useless, which is how we define âphilosophyâ.
Math is not an invention. Itâs a discovery.
Math is definitely universal. The math behind things in science wouldnât suddenly change on different alien planets. Take things like V = IR. That relies on multiplication and division. Itâs gonna be the same on other planets. The units, notation, etc. will be different but the concepts would be the same.
Iâm no STEM major, so I may be way off, but this is how I see it.
V = IR isnât math. Itâs a way of defining the relationship and outcome of two specific physical qualities. It says that we combine the resistance of a medium Âź with the current flowing through it (I) into another joint quality we call voltage (V). We do this because it makes our understanding of the physical world easier to manage since this relationship has helpful applications.
Math is simply patterns in the relationships of quantities. It excludes any physical units or qualities. In other words, math is the art of counting.
I think youâre misunderstanding my point. Iâm not saying the relationship of V = IR means math exists, what Iâm saying is that because that relationship factually exists aliens would have a way to quantify that relationship. Because of that they would have a way to express the concepts of multiplication and division.
Historically it was also the art of making precise drawings.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world âš3â© âšmonthsâ© ago
All I know is that
1 = 0.9999âŠJackbyDev@programming.dev âš3â© âšmonthsâ© ago
1 = 9/9, yeah
rovingnothing29@lemmy.world âš3â© âšmonthsâ© ago
Then how can it be Truth at all?
dohpaz42@lemmy.world âš3â© âšmonthsâ© ago
If
3 * 1/3 = 3/1 * 1/3 = 3/3 = 1And
1/3 = 0.3333âŠThen
0.3333⊠* 3 = 0.9999⊠= 1rovingnothing29@lemmy.world âš3â© âšmonthsâ© ago
I know how it works, Iâm asking how can something so offensive be a universal truth?