Comment on If I live in a red state, would it be better to vote for rfk to take votes away from trump?
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months agoIt’s a red state. No chance of anything but a Trump win.
Please explain why their “not TRUMP” vote should be given to Biden?
To demonstrate the lack of a “clear mandate”.
Yes, Trump will win if he gets one more vote than Biden, but the more he loses the popular vote by, the more justification people have for protesting.
So off he wins on electoral college votes but loses the popular vote by a landslide, at least it shows what The People are actually thinking.
We can just as easily define the popular vote as being the sum of all non Trump votes.
No Trump doesn’t need to be Yes Biden.
It doesn’t matter how you define it. It matters how the people that report on it define it. And almost universally, that’s horse race numbers.
Third parties are pretty much invisible for 95% of people until they start breaking into the horse race.
Nobody have a fuck about Ralph Nader or Pat Buchanan till they mattered for the result of the actual election in 2000.
It matters how the people that report on it define it.
No, it matter how the strategy analysts view the raw data. Not the media.
Third parties are pretty much invisible for 95% of people until they start breaking into the horse race.
Only if you focus on winning. Bernie didn’t run in the primaries to win. He ran to influence.
Because trumpets will always vote Trump. People voting for third party may not be actively supporting Trump, but the 3rd party has zero chance of winning so the only way to keep Trump from winning is to vote for who actually can win against him currently. Which is biden.
Please explain why it should be given to anyone else.
Because there are lots of other people who are not Trump.
Voting for candidates with more extreme policies shifts the political needle, even if they don’t win.
OP has given us no info about the candidates they’re considering other than RFK, who is a lunatic. There’s no merit to encouraging RFK’s views, so Biden should be OP’s choice.
RFK has significantly less lunacy than Trump, and is much more coherent than both Biden and Trump.
He still supports Israel though, so there is no anti genocide candidate.
Voting for other candidates only shifts the needle if they win. If they can’t possibly win, nothing is accomplished by voting for them.
Incorrect. Bernie shifted the needle and didn’t win.
On Thursday he rolled out two new policy proposals:
"Senator Sanders and his supporters can take pride in their work in laying the groundwork for these ideas,
MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Being a red state doesn’t guarantee a Trump win though. In the last election he assumed Georgia would put him over the top because they are historically a red state but they actually ended up swinging over to blue by a small majority.
There was a huge controversy around it because Trump called up people there and told them tamper with the numbers to let him win anyway
The Republican party is counting on the idea that people forget these things quickly lol
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 months ago
OK, but OP mentioned a Red state specifically. They want a more nuanced answer than “vote blue just in case”.
Assume a state so red, Trump loving and Biden hating that there is no possibility of a blue win. Is voting Biden in that particular state still the best strategy for the future of the USA?
HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 5 months ago
There is never no possibility. Florida is considered a red state up there with texas and gore lost to it from a florida court decision on hanging chads.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Florida wasn’t a red state, more democrats have won than Republicans in Florida