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• Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  still the frontrunner for president to be legally elected in 2024.

  The front runner? Really?

  I’m not being sarcastic. Im genuinely interested, but can’t be arsed to start going through polls because it’d mean going through the biases of the pollers.

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  • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Really it’s too close to call but he does appear to have a slight edge if you had to pick a favorite.

    projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/national/

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    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      it’s not really.that close.whem you compare it to 2016/2020

      Trump underpolls significantly,.by 5-8%, and did for both 2016 and 2020.

      Bidens hasn’t led trump in polling in 500 days

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      • KevonLooney@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You’re wrong about a lot and you’re presenting your opinions as fact. Trump doesn’t underpoll by that amount now.

        There was a phenomenon in 2016 where people were reluctant to tell pollsters they were voting for him, because they were embarrassed. Now Trump supporters are the loud minority of voters. And Biden is the boring safe choice. Biden voters are less likely to stay on the phone and answer questions.

        Also, national polls mean very little. You have to actually look at the swing state polls to find out who’s winning. And there’s not much data this far from the election.

        Finally, we can tell there’s something wrong with current polling just because “Mr. Brainworms” RFK Jr polls around 10% right now. No one is going to vote for him, and definitely not 10% of the population. People are just fucking with the pollsters right now. Do you know anyone seriously considering voting for RFK Jr?

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      • LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Maybe. Maybe not. Pollsters typically adjust methodology between elections so this type of analysis is questionable.

        He hasn’t led in the average but is currently within the margin of error. The available evidence suggests a toss up but we won’t know for sure until after the election, as always.

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  • Euphorazine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Just remember polls gave Hillary almost a guaranteed win. For all intents and purposes, Trump is the front runner regardless of what any polling says

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    • UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      And the result were statistically within what they predicted. She did get the popular vote but lost in key states where the margins were small.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, they did not. That’s not what happened.

      Polling probably has taken a dive in accuracy since then, though. Uptake in cell phone use in younger generations has been lingering over the industry for a long time, and it’s finally caught up with them.

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      • Euphorazine@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

        72% chance from here. Probably high enough that swing state voters opted to stay home. This was the vibe practically all October. The FBI felt confident enough in her win to announce they were investigating her to appear unbiased.

        Polling being inaccurate for whatever reason doesn’t change the article after article assuring everyone Hillary had it in the bag.

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  • GluWu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    From the nearly all the polls I see, yes. But like you said, bias of pollers. I’ve seen a few that go more in depth to try and figure out the “responds to polls” bias, but I still only see biden ahead by a margin. With those small numbers of concentrated effort vs the wide reach general polls, trump is. It does not instill any level of confidence in me that the “general” polls don’t reflect the “general” voting bias. Even without all of this analysis, just a few million voting for trump is unbelievably concerning to not just the future of the US, but the world that this single country dominates. These fascists are campaigning on the cut your nose to spite your face philosophy.

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Bro he’s been the front runner the entire time.

    This is why people’s sycophantica for Biden are so problematic. !data_vizualisations@lemmy.world

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• charonn0@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  plea for 1/2 that was rejected

  The rejected plea was for 6 months.

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  • GluWu@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    6 months is 1/2 of a year.

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    • bronzle@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      While that is true.

      “1/2 that” would imply 1/2 of 35 years or 17.5 years.

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