Medical staff arn’t trained with guns and they figure there’s less possibility of an accidental discharge the less people are touching it
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FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
C is okay but why are we not allowed to put the safety on and safely remove all of the ammunition.
_lilith@lemmy.world 2 months ago
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Oh I apologize, I kind of saw through the lense of an American so I assumed basic firearm knowledge. We have 15 guns per person so there really is no excuse not to know over here. With that in mind the possibility of discharge goes down because a gun with no ammo does not discharge.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We have 15 guns per person
And this is why statistics classes are important. Only 30% of US adults own guns. So at 15 guns per person, that means most of those people own a fuckton of guns. I’d hazard a guess to say most of those people are not in the medical field.
Most American adults do not own a gun, probably have never fired a gun, and their only training is from video games.
Mirshe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Also, a good handful of the people who DO own a weapon, have no training in the weapon and don’t know how to use or handle one safely.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Regardless of owning a gun: when they’re so commonplace then you should learn the basics, it could save a life someday knowing about the safety, magazine, chamber, and about never pointing a gun, loaded or otherwise, at anything that you don’t intend to destroy.
scrion@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Amassing guns does not mean amassing knowledge and training on how to properly use them. On a side note, the actual number is more like 1.2 guns per civilian, which is (terrifyingly) impressive.
Even if that number wouldn’t be a simple average, it still doesn’t mean each civilian has received proper training or is even fit for handling a gun, even though 72% have apparently at least once fired a gun in their lifetime - though that can literally mean they onced pulled the trigger on a hunting trip with dad at age 7, with him holding the gun.
Honestly, let me speak as an American as well: People shouldn’t be handling guns at all.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I understand but we’ve all seen the video of buff 'locs shot himself while giving a gun safety course to students. No need to get poor Mary, the nurse who has been on shift for 14 hours because the hospital refuses to staff properly, any extra duties that she hasn’t been explicitly trained for.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
The prompt outlines that a physician has the gun. IN THEIR HANDS. Every possible answer has the same concern that you just outlined, we’ve crossed that line a while back.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Couple reasons.
One: do you know anything about that model of firearm? Does it have a safety? Can it slam-fire if handled improperly?
Two: Is there important information that can be conveyed by the present condition of the firearm. Was it a shooting or an accident. Would clearing the firearm remove important information that can be used to ascertain what happened?
Three: Preserving the firearm can preserve evidence. While that is not necessarily part of the duty of medical staff, there’s no reason to risk destroying evidence if the firearm can be safely isolated with minimal disturbance.
Four: Why do it? An isolated, secure gun isn’t going to decide to start blasting people on its own. What advantage is there to handling the gun more than is necessary in that situation? Get it out of the way and keep working.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
You’re already assumed to be handling the gun from the onset, most handguns are pretty standard if they’re from this century.
nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 2 months ago
[deleted]FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
So if you were a physician and you were given this test question you would refuse to answer it?
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Most modern handguns do not have a (manually operated) safety.
“A” is the answer closest to “remove all of the ammunition”.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
by firing it which is stupid.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 months ago
That’s “B”.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Ah yeah mb, just feels like A didn’t give much of a complete answer.
bluewing@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The general risk assessment is that medical personal don’t know as much about firearms as Law enforcement - and LEOs don’t know much. Besides, you generally have other things to do that are more important than causing a negligent discharge in the ER.
5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Triage is going to be a bit quicker today.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 months ago
He’s dead Jim.
bluewing@lemm.ee 2 months ago
At the least, someone might be getting to the head of the line quickly…
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I’m confident that, maybe with 5min instructional time from a gun guy (or gal, women are the fastest growing group of gun owners today), anyone with a phd could be taught “push button, remove mag, rack slide” and “push button, swing cylinder, push ejector rod out.”
They really aren’t as hard to learn to use safely as Alec Baldwin would have you believe. Shooting accurately is another matter but simply being safe is as easy as learning 4 rules and a basic knowledge of how common firearms function.
bluewing@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It’s harder to learn for many people than you might think. There are 1000’s of different kinds of types and models many with subtle differences from one another from one year to the next. Nor do you know just how mechanically sound that gangbanger’s gun is either - what parts might be broken, missing, or badly modified.
It’s probably not worth the risk when you can just place it in a lockbox and call the cops to deal with it.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Sure there’s 1000s of diff types but he doesn’t have a vickers or an mg-42 stuffed down his joggers, he has one of the many revolvers or semi autos that all function the same way. Probably could narrow it down even further, it’s likely either a glock (26, 43, 45, 19, 19x, or 17), a sig (p320 or p365), a S&W (m&p or sd9ve), a Ruger (mkIII or IV, lcp9), a taurus (lol gross), or a hi-point (also lol) or any crappy .22lr revolver. For 99.9% of guns you encounter (unless your friend is a collector,) they’re all going to function similarly enough to at least get it cleared.
As to broken or badly modified, typically it can still be cleared, I’ve never seen a gun so badly broken that dropping the mag or racking the slide fires it. In theory, sure, but that’s why you’re following all the rules of gun safety and pointing it in a safe direction (at something that’ll catch the bullet if all goes wrong.)
I’ve seen literal children learn how, if they can I hope a surgeon can.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You’re a great example why there should be more gun laws. That is probably the most dangerous reply I’ve ever heard.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I’ve literally seen children learn, have more faith in your surgeons, I guess.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You would think that. But the number of trained soldiers who have been punished for a negligent discharge while clearing their weapon would say otherwise. Also, you have to assume everyone employed at that ER is at the end of a 48 hour double shift where every attempt to sleep was interrupted less than an hour later.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Idk man I can’t sit here and claim to be so ridiculously intelligent I can learn how to cycle a firearm faster than a literal surgeon. I mean, when I learned I was a pizza delivery man. I may have a different job now, but if a pizza man can learn it I’d hope a surgeon could pick it up pretty quick, “it isn’t brain surgery.”
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Consider that the gun may be part of the crime scene. The more people interact with it, the less useful it is as evidence.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
While true, I’d rather the gun actually be made safe, didn’t wear my plate carrier to work today lol.
“Sorry cops, my life is more important to me, if you need prints get them off the guy’s fingers who’s pants I just pulled this out of, it isn’t really a question of who had it, it was him.”
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Who cares? It’s an immediate threat if untouched, and the gangster’s clothes are already covered in gunpowder.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
I don’t trust leaving it behind a desk counter or in a cabinet with bullets in it, personally, I feel like that’s the more dangerous option.
bluewing@lemm.ee 2 months ago
IF you run across a firearm on a patient, (which is really isn’t a common thing), it gets placed in a lockbox and then locked into a “safe room”. Chances are good there be a cop there in a short order anyway due to the patient having been shot by a gun.
BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I honestly didn’t know that, I tend not to live my life in a way that would preclude me being shot or being around folks who will shoot someone. Thanks for the info! :)
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 months ago
It’s good that most hospitals have a system in place to handle the situation.
BlitzoTheOisSilent@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Gun safety courses actually discuss (at length, at least in my state) about how even if you’ve just got the gun on your desk next to you, but it’s loaded, it needs to be pointed in a safe direction. Even doing dry fire exercises (practicing, say, holstering/unholstering with the gun unloaded and the magazine removed entirely), you’re supposed to point the gun down at where the floor meets the wall to minimize any chance of anyone being hurt by an accident discharge.
Basically, you’re supposed to follow the same rules as if the gun was loaded and you’re holding it: don’t point it at anything you aren’t willing to destroy, and know both what it is pointed at and what lies beyond that.
I personally wouldn’t want a doctor on their 23rd hour of work to try to unload a firearm in a crowded and hectic ER, and don’t have the answer to how to handle this situation, but I’m not a medical professional so…