Most people also don’t know that the entire tankman saga happened as Chinese forces were LEAVING Tiananmen Square and he wasn’t run over. The tanks tried to go around then stopped and he climbed up and talked to the driver for a while then walked off with some people. And this all happened outside the foreign press hotel in an area that had been largely blockaded during that time.
Where western reports were going out speaking of tons of violence in areas near the square.
Which tankman has always been a peculiar moment in history cause in context it very much comes off like it was staged by the CCP, or at least the CCP thought it might work in their favor PR wise, but ends up getting used in a way that is suggestive of that moment being a moment of CCP violence against the innocent.
That’s also what most people in the USSR and Eastern Europe wanted - basically to have social systems with greater freedoms - but instead they got IMF shock treatment.
The Chinese government claimed that what the protesters wanted would make China have class divisions and greater poverty. I don’t know if that’s true there, but that is what happened in the USSR.
…a leaders “murdering” really has to be once they’re in power…and a lot of the murdering Mao did was due to unintended agricultural famines (made harder to correct as farmers and teachers had been attacked by the red guard student movement, and the USSR had sent a conman over to advise them on crops, killing all the sparrows certainly didn’t help either).
After the Chinese civil war there was an internal political war for who runs the Red Guard student radicals. Mao lost that one, and thus began the Chinese tradition of sequestering leaders… After Tianamen Square Zhao Ziyang was sequestered to his retirement home for trying to speak up for Student Demonstrators.
The famines preceeded the cultural revolution, and thus the student guard, by a very long time.
In fact, a good argument is that Mao was sidelined after the debacle of the famine, and the Cultural Revolution was him doing a low level insurgency to regain power.
Ignore the swaths of people exposed to the elements in the states while suburban boomers rent out second homes and corporations buy up the rest. What is that if not systemic murder? Yeah Mao did bad shit, killing landlords isnt one of them.
Godric@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
And Hitler built the Autobahn. Morons love to handwave mass murdering dictators.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Most people don’t even realise, Tianamen Swuare was about Free Speech, and opening China up to Market Socialism.
The people being massacred - WERE THE COMMUNISTS AND UNIONISTS…
They weren’t pro-Markets. They wanted China to stay communist, just with more democratic rights and protections.
Nola@piefed.zip 42 minutes ago
Most people also don’t know that the entire tankman saga happened as Chinese forces were LEAVING Tiananmen Square and he wasn’t run over. The tanks tried to go around then stopped and he climbed up and talked to the driver for a while then walked off with some people. And this all happened outside the foreign press hotel in an area that had been largely blockaded during that time.
Where western reports were going out speaking of tons of violence in areas near the square.
Which tankman has always been a peculiar moment in history cause in context it very much comes off like it was staged by the CCP, or at least the CCP thought it might work in their favor PR wise, but ends up getting used in a way that is suggestive of that moment being a moment of CCP violence against the innocent.
mattyroses@lemmy.librarysocialism.social 34 minutes ago
That’s also what most people in the USSR and Eastern Europe wanted - basically to have social systems with greater freedoms - but instead they got IMF shock treatment.
The Chinese government claimed that what the protesters wanted would make China have class divisions and greater poverty. I don’t know if that’s true there, but that is what happened in the USSR.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
That’s an important thing to educate others on, but… so?
The problem is they massacred protestors, not what the protest was about.
If the people want to speak in support of communism, let them. If they want to speak in support of capitalism, let them.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Okay so they were protesting to get Free Speech, and to keep China communist.
You’re saying what they were protesting (for Free Speech and Communism) isn’t important…
…only Free Speech (one of the things they were protesting for) is important… Not Free Speech (one of the things they were protesting for).
A bit of anti-communist blindness happening here.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Also, Mao wasn’t actually in power in 1989…
…a leaders “murdering” really has to be once they’re in power…and a lot of the murdering Mao did was due to unintended agricultural famines (made harder to correct as farmers and teachers had been attacked by the red guard student movement, and the USSR had sent a conman over to advise them on crops, killing all the sparrows certainly didn’t help either).
After the Chinese civil war there was an internal political war for who runs the Red Guard student radicals. Mao lost that one, and thus began the Chinese tradition of sequestering leaders… After Tianamen Square Zhao Ziyang was sequestered to his retirement home for trying to speak up for Student Demonstrators.
mattyroses@lemmy.librarysocialism.social 36 minutes ago
The famines preceeded the cultural revolution, and thus the student guard, by a very long time.
In fact, a good argument is that Mao was sidelined after the debacle of the famine, and the Cultural Revolution was him doing a low level insurgency to regain power.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 2 hours ago
Yes, Godric, compare carbraintopia to removing an entire class of parasites. Sure. I’m the moron lmao
Godric@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Fuck, a horseshoe theory wallop upside the head yet again :(
Mass-murder is bad, you absolute muppet.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 1 hour ago
Ignore the swaths of people exposed to the elements in the states while suburban boomers rent out second homes and corporations buy up the rest. What is that if not systemic murder? Yeah Mao did bad shit, killing landlords isnt one of them.
zakobjoa@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
HE DIDN’T! THE PLANS WERE DRAWN UP UNDER THE KAISER!