Yeah I agree with the idea of a more democratic communist country. But meme is about how tankies suck chinese and Russian assholes with blind adherence.
Comment on Putin too, for some reason
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 2 hours agoOkay so they were protesting to get Free Speech, and to keep China communist.
You’re saying what they were protesting (for Free Speech and Communism) isn’t important…
…only Free Speech (one of the things they were protesting for) is important… Not Free Speech (one of the things they were protesting for).
A bit of anti-communist blindness happening here.
copingwithelmons@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Yes, and I doubt American Communism would be that way.
It’s often overlooked that Communism isn’t a singlular unbending set of rules or type of government - every single instance of Communism has come with its own modifications and differences.
I imagine American Communism (which is extraordinarily unlikely to ever come about) would involve Free Speech, the right to bear arms, and Religious freedoms.
Ideally it would retain a multi-party system, and be open to being voted out.
It would have totally new and American qualities to it - for better and for worse. That’s what history has shown to occur. Vietnamese Communism isn’t like Chinese Communism isn’t like Russian Communism, and frankly the new versions tend to be better.
copingwithelmons@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Ideally it would retain a multi-party system, and be open to being voted out (with a smooth transition of government garanteed).
It seems like such an important and obvious forethought. I can’t imagine how any of these communist countries missed on that.
I keep thinking back to animal farm. The temptation of power must be very intoxicating.
It would have totally new and American qualities to it - for better and for worse.
Communism with American characteristics.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 42 minutes ago
Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but I think communist societies do have thier own conception of democracy… It’s very complicated though (from what I can tell).
Having lived under Capitalism my whole life, I feel under cooked on this myself. I couldn’t tell you much other than I know the Chinese have the five year Plenary session, opposition parties within the communism party, and systems of local provential governments that compete on resolving social problems.
Vietnam has a shit load of unions.
So there’s mass participation in these systems… Maybe that’s part of why they’re still around.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
What in the mental gymnastics is your comment meant to be?
Your edit comes across as, “Oops, looks like I was trying to rage against someone without realizing we agree; better edit to add a subtle retraction.”
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 54 minutes ago
It’s a bit of that… Arguing on the internet is just easy to fall into so sorry if you feel hard done by in my figuring out we’re agreeing.
I’m also spread a bit thin because I’ve put a lot of comments out on this post, as I have strong opinions on being anti-tankie and anti-communist under American Capitalist Fascism/Trumpism.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 43 minutes ago
But you do understand it makes you and yours look ridiculous - and is thus counterproductive - when you can’t help yourself (due to your stated strong opinions) but to participate in such bad faith, right?
Between that and the suspicion I have that you were implying the massacres would be more acceptable if they weren’t pro-communist protestors and it’s just one more anecdote of tankies having bizarre and unconscionable stances.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 33 minutes ago
Okay - I’m not a fucking tankie. I’m not even a communist, and no I wasn’t saying that.
Your assumptions are your own.