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Well, no. If you’re taking a stack of supposed moral allegories as fact, Lucifer was cast out for defying God, not for being naughty. Lucifer wouldn’t kneel to mankind and serve them, thinking them lesser, so God tossed him out. Again, if you think myths are facts.

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PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
That’s medieval fanfic built over badly translated old testament passages that are talking about local kings and it’s literally in the previous and next passages that they weren’t talking about any angel… the only thing about being cast out is in Revelations after a war in heaven, that is said the dragon is the same as the serpent, the serpent that told humans that god lied that the fruit would kill them but instead would give us knowledge of good and evil, so literally pushed us towards developing philosophy and sciences, and that war is narrated just after god wipes a third of humanity in one go and send plagues and beetles that sting like scorpions and that for months humanity would look for death and not find it and good were the mothers who smashed their babies against the rocks etc etc etc, that’s what the dragon rose up against

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- Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  The Woman, the Child, and the Dragon
  
  12 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.
  
  3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
  
  Satan Thrown Out of Heaven
  
  7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for [b]them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
  
  10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
  
  The Woman Persecuted
  
  13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
  
  Does it say that in Revelations 13 somewhere? Because it dies not say that in Revelations 12 anywhere.
  
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- Mulligrubs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  No.
  
  Book of Job proves you wrong, Revelation proves you wrong, various references throughout Bible I won’t bother to look up prove you wrong. No Christian theologian agrees with you and no atheist theologian agrees with you. Because it’s untrue, sorry.
  
  You should probably read the Bible again, perhaps annotated would be of help.
  
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  - PiraHxCx@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    what part is untrue? That god said eating the fruit would certainly kill them and the serpent said it wasn’t true and they eaten and didn’t die and instead gained knowledge? The part that god killed a third of humanity in one go and then tortured the rest? Or that those Isaiah verses are about the king of Babylon? Is it really me that should read again?
    
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Lupie@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I’d still vibe more with the guy who won’t kneel to us - we suck.

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- OwOarchist@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  And … the rest of the angels do kneel to us?
  
  So if I met an angel, I could command it to do whatever I wanted, and it would obey?
  
  I need to get a new summoning book…
  
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  - MrOtingocni@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Maybe. Probably. No refunds though.
    
    *Temu Angel Summoning Kit, Candle Pak 6, Celestial Circle, and Fuzzy-Wuzzy Sacrificial Lamb are Trademarks of Xianzhou Holy Enterprise, llc.
    
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Blibittyblah@futurology.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Hail Satan.

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- SkyezOpen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Hail Nero.
  
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saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
That’s not how the story goes at all.

He didn’t defy God; he wanted to be God.

Mankind wasn’t a factor, it didn’t even exist.

You’d have better luck spinning a story about a bad breakup and we’re a puppy someone got out of impulse, thinking it’d fill the lonely void.

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- Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Thats how it goes in NKJV. But yes, there are other versions with variations on the tale.
  
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  - saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    No it does not.
    
    The version of bible does not change canon, just the language.
    
    The narrative you mention does not exist canonically in any Bible.
    
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    Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Okay so what is your denomination’s version of canon? I see a lot of denial here and thats about it.
    
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