Comment on Duolingo Fires Translators in Favor of AI

Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• smeg@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Free streak freeze? As in an option to stop an arbitrary counter that does nothing from being reset?

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  • Overzeetop@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Humans are so massively susceptible to gamification. It’s nice for providing motivation, but it ends up being like an addiction the way companies leverage it.

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    • mondoman712@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I want my language learning app to have things like that, to help motivate me to keep coming back every day.

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• Haagel@lemmings.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What other platform is available?

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  • PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Anecdotally, a friend who’s pretty handy at languages uses more Memrise than Duolingo now. Similar sort of setup, but with a different style of delivery - more visual cues and a better repetition approach.

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    • noodlejetski@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      in my experience, Memrise teaches you useful phrases much faster, while Duolingo drills you about horses eating blue apples and turtles wearing yellow hats.

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      • MadBob@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        To be fair, as a Duolingo hater myself, I do see the logic in teaching wacky phrases. It at least gives me the impression that it makes it easier to improvise sentences based on the grammar you’ve learnt by drilling “the bear should eat some cheese when it rains” or whatever.

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      • I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Learn how to say “two tabs of acid” in 10 languages

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    • oeverbloem@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I just tried it out and I like it a lot better than duolingo.

      Duolingo is super gamified and you can’t keep practicing after you made a few mistakes. I just practiced for an hour with memrise and it was nice. There’s also video exercises in the app, and you can also practice chatting (with an AI probably?). I hope it holds up.

      I would love to compare babbel too, but Arabic is not available there.

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      • PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Awesome, I think I may go back to a language myself. Thanks for checking it out and letting us know!

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      • mondoman712@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Just fyi you can keep practicing as much as you want in Duolingo, just tap the heart in the top right and click practice to earn more hearts.

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    • Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They also use AI.

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  • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Back in the day, I found Rosetta Stone to be a decent approach, it’s the only reason I still know how to say “the kid is under the plane” in Arabic, without barely knowing any Arabic. The context turned a bit dark after 9/11, though…

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    • MadBob@feddit.nl ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      CDs are often available at libraries too!

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  • AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve found Babble to be okay

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    • jherazob@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do you mean Babbel? Hadn’t heard of it, will keep it in mind

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      • Radiant_sir_radiant@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Sadly it didn’t work for me. I liked the idea but gave up after two weeks because I didn’t enjoy the experience at all and didn’t seem to make any progress (Swiss learning Spanish). YMMV of course.

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      • AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yup, that’s the one

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  • bluGill@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The duolingo format was never popular with polyglots. The game format makes it easy to feel like you did something which is a great thing, but the is the only pro people who have learned multiple languages find with it.

    There is a lot of debate about what the best way to start is, but all agree that you need to interact with the real language in real world type settings (watching a movie in the language with subtitles is real world, though you need to make an effort to listen not just read!) They also agree that time is important, you need to study at least an hour every day to make progress.

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    • tryptaminev@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You definetely do not need to study an hour every day to make progress.Otherwise everyone learning a second or third language in school would be entirely fucked. For me personally the gamification has helped a lot with learning the basic concepts and words of a language.

      If you want to get to the level of a native speaker of course no app can do that and i guess somewhere around B1/B2 you need to use the language in a real setting like you said.

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      • bluGill@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        While technically you don't need to study an hour every day, if you don't put that much time into it you will eventually look back and see you have spend a year+ and don't know anything and then give up. An hour a day means it is likely you have made progress between reviews of your life and thus the effort is worth continuing. At 10 minutes per day you will be dead before you know the language, so giving up is the right answer.

        Enough people fail to learn a language in school as to consider the whole idea of school bunk. (but some do learn, and some schools are better than others - but the better ones all feature time as a factor)

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• msage@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just got free streak freezes 11 days ago.

  So perhaps it’s regional.

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