I don’t remember anyone telling me that bilbo was the son of God, so I think we can hold different yardsticks here.
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surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 months agoOh, sure. Mock Christianity. But no one bats an eye when Tolkien retcons half of The Hobbit and gives an excuse like “well the book is written by Bilbo and he lied at first”.
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surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well of course not. Samwise was the incarnation of all that is good, loyal, and holy. Bilbo was just a prophet.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hold on there. Wasn’t ‘LotR’ supposedly finished by Sam after Frodo dipped?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Allow me to introduce to you…George Lucas.
wittymyusername@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Well I’ve already met him, but the first time Jabba the Hut wasn’t in the background, so I’d definitely like a do-over.
balsoft@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Well, IIRC The Hobbit was initially just a collection of bedtime fairy tales he made up for his children, of course it had inconsistencies.
Actually, thinking about it, that seems like a plausible source of the Old Testament as well…
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Religion started because kids were asking their dad questions. “Daddy why is the sky blue?, Why does the sun move across the sky?, Why why why daddy” “Uh uh some sort of god does that, yeah a god”
And then those kids grew up and still believe that story et voila you got religion.
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
“Damn the boy…”
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
He also does say it’s fiction, no?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Most stories are fiction until some fool believes it hard enough.
groet@feddit.org 2 months ago
I dont think so. The hobbit+lord of the rings are “Tolkien’s translation of the red book written by Bilbo and Frodo into English” (not a direct quote). Middle earth is our earth and our history.
I don’t think he said “its real bro trust me” like the book of Mormon, but “its real in a fictional real world”
silasmariner@programming.dev 2 months ago
What’s the retcon in the hobbit?
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 months ago
…wordpress.com/…/were-tolkiens-changes-to-the-hob…
The ring was just a magic ring. And other stuff.
silasmariner@programming.dev 2 months ago
One well-considered retcon that he was OK with not going out, hardly half the book
Carl@anarchist.nexus 2 months ago
I mean, The Hobbit was primarily written to be a children’s bedtime story. The fact that adults latched onto it was sort of an accident. Tolkien was primarily a *linguist*, not a *writer*. He developed several fake languages, and wanted an excuse to use them. So he did a ton of world building, just to have a reason to write song lyrics in elvish and dwarven.