That’s very true, we never believed in Christmas/religion but never spoiled/ruined it for others, it was their enjoyment.
Granted when we have a kid, we don’t think we’ll be telling them that “Santa is just a famous character of Christmas, and some people have fun believing he’s real, so don’t ruin their fun either” or something like that. Still have plenty of years to think of how to word it better lol :P
Something to consider: do you want to normalize lying to your kid? I realize that’s an antagonistic way to phrase it, but that’s pretty much what’s happening
This is such a boring thing that people say all the time.
Lying is normal. You should be lying. Lying isn’t morally wrong if it is not done for morally wrong reasons. My child should be lying to me. I should be lying to my child.
And my children will understand the difference between lying to e.g. prevent a surprise to be ruined and lying to avoid facing consequences.
It is such a black and white thinking. It is so boring too. I will teach my children violence because 1 day, they might need it too.
And sidenote: e.g. telling your child that they can “trust” the security or the police if they get lost in a large crowd, is a lie. But one that is true enough that the child is safer with them than alone in a crowd. Telling your child that e.g. a electrical signal is travelling from the tv station through a wire to your tv, would be a lie if there is some fiber cables somewhere between them, or a satellite connection. Yes, simplifications are lying. We will lie anyway to enable them to navigate the far too complex world and slowly learn about the real underlying complexities.
And obviously, there is a difference between making them write letters to Santa and telling them Santa brings gifts for Christmas.
Granted when we have a kid, we don’t think we’ll be telling them that “Santa is just a famous character of Christmas, and some people have fun believing he’s real, so don’t ruin their fun either”
Sorry if I’m misreading this, but personally I don’t see a problem in telling your own kids that Santa isn’t real.
You can still give gifts if you want, and having them be addressed from people you care about makes it more meaningful tbh. Plus, it’s kinda fucked up to normalize lying to your kids
Yes, we also fund it very fucked up to lie to a kid about how some random ass guy is stalking your every move to determine if your a good or bad person and thats the determination if having presents or nothing at all.
However, its not our place to tell other parent’s kids that Santa isn’t real, and telling our kid its just a popular character would be not only the truth but also easier for them to explain. Like a mascot of some sort yk?
I never got the talk about Santa. I think my parents just assumed that I was intelligent enough to be able to work it out on my own, which I was. I’m sure at some point I did believe in Santa but I can’t remember ever believing, I knew it was just my dad, but I got presents so I didn’t care.
GarboDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s very true, we never believed in Christmas/religion but never spoiled/ruined it for others, it was their enjoyment.
Granted when we have a kid, we don’t think we’ll be telling them that “Santa is just a famous character of Christmas, and some people have fun believing he’s real, so don’t ruin their fun either” or something like that. Still have plenty of years to think of how to word it better lol :P
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Honestly, I think i will “lie” about Santa. Simply because it doesn’t really matter and it is fun for them.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Yeah, its pretty obvious peoppe are lying anout Santa once you realize the North Pole has no land.
Samta clearly is from the Sputh Pole.
Pretty genius actually, getting pwople to look for him on the oppoaite side of the planet.
eyekaytee@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
TIl the north pole has no land
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Something to consider: do you want to normalize lying to your kid? I realize that’s an antagonistic way to phrase it, but that’s pretty much what’s happening
Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
This is such a boring thing that people say all the time.
Lying is normal. You should be lying. Lying isn’t morally wrong if it is not done for morally wrong reasons. My child should be lying to me. I should be lying to my child.
And my children will understand the difference between lying to e.g. prevent a surprise to be ruined and lying to avoid facing consequences.
It is such a black and white thinking. It is so boring too. I will teach my children violence because 1 day, they might need it too.
And sidenote: e.g. telling your child that they can “trust” the security or the police if they get lost in a large crowd, is a lie. But one that is true enough that the child is safer with them than alone in a crowd. Telling your child that e.g. a electrical signal is travelling from the tv station through a wire to your tv, would be a lie if there is some fiber cables somewhere between them, or a satellite connection. Yes, simplifications are lying. We will lie anyway to enable them to navigate the far too complex world and slowly learn about the real underlying complexities.
And obviously, there is a difference between making them write letters to Santa and telling them Santa brings gifts for Christmas.
untorquer@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
I don’t think it was so much about religion or ruining it for others.
GarboDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yeah, more than likely a very religious/abusive household.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Sorry if I’m misreading this, but personally I don’t see a problem in telling your own kids that Santa isn’t real.
You can still give gifts if you want, and having them be addressed from people you care about makes it more meaningful tbh. Plus, it’s kinda fucked up to normalize lying to your kids
tmyakal@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
I grew up very poor. My mother made it clear that Santa wasn’t real, because there’s no way she’s giving another old white man undue credit.
GarboDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Yes, we also fund it very fucked up to lie to a kid about how some random ass guy is stalking your every move to determine if your a good or bad person and thats the determination if having presents or nothing at all.
However, its not our place to tell other parent’s kids that Santa isn’t real, and telling our kid its just a popular character would be not only the truth but also easier for them to explain. Like a mascot of some sort yk?
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I never got the talk about Santa. I think my parents just assumed that I was intelligent enough to be able to work it out on my own, which I was. I’m sure at some point I did believe in Santa but I can’t remember ever believing, I knew it was just my dad, but I got presents so I didn’t care.
GarboDog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Fair, our parents kinda pushed us to believe, but we never believed it in the first place.