If you’re endorsing piracy as a political stance in any way, I don’t see it gaining traction. People need to be paid for their work; especially those who built a product for you that’s meant to last and can’t be taken away from you. I don’t know how you convey that in a three- or four-word slogan, but I don’t think this one does it.
The wages only appear if the thing they produce creates profits for the corporation. If they continually produce something that doesn’t sell, they won’t have a job anymore. And I’ll raise you another part of this equation. If you pirated Assassin’s Creed: Shadows because you hate Ubisoft or whatever, that game will take somewhere between 35 and 65 hours for most people to finish, according to How Long to Beat. That’s 35 to 65 hours that you weren’t spending in some other game, perhaps a game that respects your values enough that you’d part with your money to play. Maybe that’s Kingdom Come: Deliverance II or The Alters or Knights in Tight Spaces; whatever your preferences are, there’s some other game that also didn’t get your money because you were playing that pirated game instead.
The dogged ignorance of gamers as to the financial reality of game devs neglects the fact that launch profitability bonuses are the only thing that lifts many of them out of a minimum wage bracket.
Well if single player game needs to connect to publisher sever to play then you don’t own this game and piracy is just preservation. I’m not endorsing piracy, but not condemning it.
I would argue in some ways piracy is a progressive form of demonstration against a systematic problem, and in this case the bigger studies that milk users and take advantage of those doing the work.
So telling people not to advocate with their form of protest is a bit unfair, it takes all tactics to get change.
I seriously don’t know how you’re this off mark about all of this. No one has said to pirate games from companies that doesn’t do what the thread is about. It’s literally only about either pirating or not playing the specific games from the companies who shut down games.
You’re on the verge of being like that Pirate Software dude who is against the SKG movement because he’s so fucking dumb that he doesn’t understand the extremely obvious and clearly communicated points.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you’re endorsing piracy as a political stance in any way, I don’t see it gaining traction. People need to be paid for their work; especially those who built a product for you that’s meant to last and can’t be taken away from you. I don’t know how you convey that in a three- or four-word slogan, but I don’t think this one does it.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The dogged insistence that piracy of a corporate product impacts the pay of it’s employees neglects how the wage system works.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The wages only appear if the thing they produce creates profits for the corporation. If they continually produce something that doesn’t sell, they won’t have a job anymore. And I’ll raise you another part of this equation. If you pirated Assassin’s Creed: Shadows because you hate Ubisoft or whatever, that game will take somewhere between 35 and 65 hours for most people to finish, according to How Long to Beat. That’s 35 to 65 hours that you weren’t spending in some other game, perhaps a game that respects your values enough that you’d part with your money to play. Maybe that’s Kingdom Come: Deliverance II or The Alters or Knights in Tight Spaces; whatever your preferences are, there’s some other game that also didn’t get your money because you were playing that pirated game instead.
athatet@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
What are you talking about? Game devs are constantly being laid off even after the product they create, creates profits for the corp.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Would you take a job that requires years to complete and forego wages until it retails?
Nobody actually works like that.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 3 weeks ago
And yet there are free indie games out there that are generally better than the corp funded crap. Creators will create, no matter what happens.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That’s entirely untrue. Plenty of people get paid to make games that flop.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Living in some fantasy land where never paying artists for their work magically results in them being compensated is pointless.
If you want to pirate, go ahead. I have. I don’t pretend it’s the “moral” thing to do.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
In a corporate setting, wages pay the artists prior to the games’ release. And the artists don’t see additional revenue after it’s release.
nightlily@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
The dogged ignorance of gamers as to the financial reality of game devs neglects the fact that launch profitability bonuses are the only thing that lifts many of them out of a minimum wage bracket.
mecen@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Well if single player game needs to connect to publisher sever to play then you don’t own this game and piracy is just preservation. I’m not endorsing piracy, but not condemning it.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I agree with the first sentence, but that’s what I feel this slogan does a poor job of reinforcing.
Cherry@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I would argue in some ways piracy is a progressive form of demonstration against a systematic problem, and in this case the bigger studies that milk users and take advantage of those doing the work.
So telling people not to advocate with their form of protest is a bit unfair, it takes all tactics to get change.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Then they need to quit fucking over their paying customers
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Plenty of them aren’t. Pay them.
M137@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I seriously don’t know how you’re this off mark about all of this. No one has said to pirate games from companies that doesn’t do what the thread is about. It’s literally only about either pirating or not playing the specific games from the companies who shut down games.
You’re on the verge of being like that Pirate Software dude who is against the SKG movement because he’s so fucking dumb that he doesn’t understand the extremely obvious and clearly communicated points.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
it already has traction