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it_depends_man@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

How hard is it to implement email verification?

Harder, actually.

That’s the point of OAuth, which is what you’re seeing there.

The idea is that you’re you and you have a… google account. This shitty little website doesn’t want to be responsible for you login details, because those can get stolen. Maybe they contain an email address, which is a problem. Software needs to be updated, it’s all a big. They don’t want to touch anything in terms of security that identifies you as you.

Maybe all the website does is save your favorite pepe memes. They don’t need anything else from you, but they still need to have something to get a user id and make sure nobody messes with your pepe meme collection. That’s where this system comes in, because the rest of website becomes significantly easier. They don’t need to store anything personally identifying, all they get is an ID and they can connect it with your pepes.

The only downside to OAuth is, as you can also see, that it’s corpos you don’t want to trust that are offering it.

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zewm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Okay, but where is the link to this Pepe memes page?

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- it_depends_man@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Unfortunately just an example.
  
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- TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Yeah show us deh memes
  
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lenocolomo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
While I get that, it is still unfortunate that no open-source, trusted variant can be part of the usual ways.

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- foggenbooty@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There’s really no reason something like that couldn’t exist. A foundation would just have to decide to dedicate the resources to it.
  
  The issue is it would have to gain significant adoption in order for web admins to think to include it. This list here is actually a lot larger than you usually see. It’s often just the big 2 or 3.
  
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  - logi@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I might trust Mozilla and I already have an account…
    
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- it_depends_man@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That’s… mostly because of popularity and it depends on whether some service is offering OAuth and if the website in question is using THAT identity provider.
  
  For example, mastodon is technically offering it.
  
  github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/16221
  
  but this is the docs page:
  
  docs.joinmastodon.org/admin/optional/sso/
  
  So the answer in this case is to just grow, promote and support what we’re already doing: fediverse stuff.
  
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- gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They can? They are in some cases!
  
  Just usually indie stuff. There’s Login With Mastodon on plenty of websites.
  
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- Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Actually, there are some open-source self-hosted alternatives like Hydra but no one implements it :( I have seen only 1 site that support it
  
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- fascicle@leminal.space ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Even something like bitwarden would be nice
  
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  - lenocolomo@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    Exactly!
    
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criss_cross@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Was just about to say getting Auth right is super hard. Getting someone else to do it for you is a godsend.

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skisnow@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Most users outside of Lemmy dgaf about corpos if it saves them having to type in an email address on their phone and get it right and then go to their email and then hit refresh a few times before going back and hitting send again and then checking their spam folder

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Wispy2891@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
But most oauth implementations use the user email as identifier so they get the email anyway

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- it_depends_man@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  All the smarter ones don’t because an email can change, your google account unique id will not, that’s the purpose of account IDs.
  
  I won’t deny that many people/websites probably do use email though. Which is bad. But I can’t deny that that probably is what is happening.
  
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nieminen@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yeah, some of the same reason everyone uses stripe or PayPal for payment systems. If the site itself handles the cc info it holds all the liability, and has to pass rigorous POC testing and compliance.

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fraksken@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I have no account with the above. I wouldn’t make one for being able to use another service.

No idea what the product is here, but I guess I’m not their target audience. Which is fine.

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- gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Just have a spam account?
  
  spamspamspamspam2026@gmail.com for e.g.
  
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  - myplacedk@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That’s the OP’s point - logging in by email is not an option.
    
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