And some people think inflating numbers proves their point.
Plus, If you have 30 miles of signs telling you to get over and you wait until you are forced by the actual lane closure, yes you are the asshole.
I will not be taking questions.
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Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Some people think that if there’s a hwy lane closure in 30 miles, you’re the asshole of you don’t immediately merge over
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Pushing people to seek a detour is the only effective way of actually reducing the effects of a traffic jam.
We all zipper merged back when we were traveling close to full speed. We would continue through the closure at nearly full speed, except some jackass has decided to run up to the end and come to a complete stop before attempting to merge.
Now, we all have to zipper merge at 5mph instead of full speed, because some jackass couldn’t figure out how to do it at the right time.
Anybody who has played Factorio should be able to recognize the problem. If the lane is obstructed anywhere, the capacity of the roadway is the capacity of the remaining open lanes. Filling the closed lane before the obstruction maximizes the duration of the traffic jam.
Ideally, zipper merging should start immediately after the last exit before the obstruction. It should be used to push as many people as possible to exit and seek a detour. The lane should be effectively closed from the exit before to the exit after the obstruction.
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
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The article actually mentions zipper merging isn’t as effective at full speed.
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People utilizing the closing lane up to the end frees up space at the rear, which allows more people who can take advantage of an exit shortly beforehand to actually do so.
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Your stated ideal of closing the lane from the prior exit onwards isn’t practical if said exit isn’t within a reasonably short range. Never mind you’d definitely increase the number of people needlessly exiting and causing further problems on several other local roads, thereby expending the impact rather than reducing it.
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Your premise also seems to be built upon the notion of stopped traffic rather than just a forced merging into fewer (or one) lanes where traffic still can flow reasonably well once past the merge point.
I’m assuming Factorio is a factory simulation, and that would involve mechanical & physical concerns, but that’s much more consistent than the wide variety of human responses and actions in such situations.
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Grazed@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you have 30 miles of ending lane warnings, you should still ride it until the actual end. It’s best for congestion. Leaving a whole lane unused is pointless. It’s better for everyone if you wait to merge.
Saapas@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
If there’s a lot of traffic it makes sense to try and find room to merge early though
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
“Early” being relative to the specific vehicles involved. Lorries/tractor-trailers needs a LOT more time to find an opening before a merge than a “four-wheeler” does.
Besides it’s long been proven that “zipper merging” - which is basically waiting up to almost the last second to merge - is the more efficient method.
Saapas@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
It’s more efficient if people let you pass in front of them. Which they might.
Not very efficient if you have to stop next to a moving lane lol
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
That’s a training issue more than anything else. People have never been taught how to merge well, and so inevitably everybody has their own “camp” when it comes to best practices. Statistics show that zipper merging is best, but far too many people care more about their illogical feelings than the facts.
DScratch@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Came here to find this argument.
Well done everyone!
LurkingLuddite@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Nope. That’s not zipper merging.
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I said “basically” to imply it was being started in a simplistic manner for expediency. The article gave the full story, and I’d rather they got the full story along with proof it provided. You’re nit-picking, which isn’t surprising considering your other responses.
prettybunnys@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
It always makes sense to merge at the last safe moment, but only if everyone else is doing that which requires everyone to trust each other and I can trust myself but I can’t trust any of you fuckers, etc.
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Yeah, it would take a concerted, long-running campaign to reeducate drivers on the topic, as well as a nearly unified backing from those in a position to deliver it. Considering how political issues have been going downhill for so long that we’ve effectively sunk well past unheard of new lows, I’m not holding my breath on that one even though it really shouldn’t matter that much to them to be worth fighting over.
prettybunnys@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
We all were supposed to be taught it in drivers ed.
The problem is most people are shit drivers who don’t know the law or the rules or even the guidelines.
plyth@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
If there’s a lot of traffic it makes sense to try and find room to merge early though
Not at all. You destroy a smooth process where both lanes drive at the same speed. It turns into a stop and go in one lane while the other keeps getting filled with new cars from the back that join at the last moment.
Grazed@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Only because of dumbasses who won’t let everyone zipper merge. If we could actually educate people on how to zipper merge, we wouldn’t need to pull off a heist to get out of an ending lane.
Saapas@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
If only. But as things stand, I’d rather merge early than have to stop next to a moving lane. Less dangerous too than to try to merge from zero to however fast the other lane is going.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Some people eat up rage bait like a fine meal
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Something something milk before cereal something…
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
That implies taking the time to appreciate its finer qualities. I’d say it’s more like feeding time at the trough.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I don’t mind personally, but don’t assume that your blinker means I HAVE to let you in
Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Definitely. I personally merge earlier, knowing it’s less efficient and will put me back relative to zipper merging - just to avoid the stress of trying to get in between potentially uncooperative mergees. But I also don’t get too mad at the mergers - maybe they’re in a legit hurry
plyth@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
And everybody else in the lane.
Grazed@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You do, though, depending on where you live. It’s the law in plenty of countries, and for good reason. Lanes are meant to be used until they end, and the best strategy with traffic is a zipper merge. Every other car should be from the ending lane, assuming there are cars in the ending lane. If you aren’t letting the next person in to the continuing lane, you are an asshole, and a dangerous driver.