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• Chozo@fedia.io ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It's a good quote, and it's actually a little ironic because the line sort of proves itself, as it's actually a myth that people ever believed the world was flat pre-Columbus. Scholars have known the Earth was round for literally thousands of years; Pythagoras wrote about the curvature of the earth as early as ~500 BC. The roundness of the Earth was never really contested until the last 50 years or so.

  The myth stems from Washington Irving's book "A History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus", in which he completely fabricates the idea that Columbus argued with scholars about the shape of the earth (as well as several other stories with zero historical data to back them up). Everybody at the time generally agreed, before Columbus ever set sail, that the Earth is round. That misconception is relatively new, as the book was only published in 1828.

  Fact-checking was a much more arduous process back in the 1800s. Back then, you'd typically have to find a book to prove your point, so it's really no surprise that people just accepted these printed words as the truth, but in this case the book is just full of straight-up lies. Lies that eventually made their way into almost every school's history curriculum ever since. In fact, there are more flat-Earthers now than at any point in history, and we can probably directly blame Irving for that, for putting such a stupid idea into the public's eye in the first place.

  Interestingly, Columbus was actually WRONG about the shape of the earth. While most scholars accurately believed it to be spherical, Columbus thought the planet was pear-shaped. But "proving" that was never the point of his voyages, either way.

  15 minutes ago, some of you reading this "knew" that people believed the world was flat 500 years ago.

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  • YellowParenti@lemmy.wtf ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If I remember correctly, Pythagoras sent someone south a ways to another city with an obelisk and asked them to measure the height of the object and its shadow. Dude calculated the circumference of the earth with basically long sticks.

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  • agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If I’m not mistaken, the actual contention between Columbus and scholars was about the size of the Earth. Columbus believed it was substantially smaller than scholars estimated it to be, and if he hadn’t gotten lucky running into America he and his crew would have starved long before they reached their intended destination.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    there are more flat-Earthers now than at any point in history

    I’m too tired to get into a real fake argument but I wonder what the actual percentages are, given that a billion is a fuckton of anything and we’ve got 8 peoples of those.

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  • Klear@piefed.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Thank you. I wanted to write a reply like this, but more boring and way less well-researched. Glad I didn’t.

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• restingOface@quokk.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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• cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  “People are smart, they can handle it.”

  “A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it.”

  **I do want to nit pick at the above quote and point out that 500 years ago everyone knew the earth was round, though heliocentrism was the new hotness.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Nah, 500 years ago the new hotness was tomatoes

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  • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The ancient greeks knew that it was possible for The Earth to orbit The Sun. They went for the geocentric model, because their math predicted that if The Earth orbited The Sun, then the other stars were “impossibly far” away from us.

    Which TBF, is an accurate description of what is actually occuring. A single light year is impossibly far, much less the actual distances involved.

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    • cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It also wouldn’t be possible to prove heliocentrism until the invention of the relatively advanced telescopes of the 16th and 17th centuries.

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