Comment on The idiot mayor of Toronto extended bar hours to 4am so fans in Toronto can enjoy the World Cup no matter time the game is

Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• JoMiran@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This! When I was young, we used to stay at clubs so late that it was a bit light out when we came out. Grab some breakfast, and sleep the day away.

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• Skunk@jlai.lu ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The same reason half of Europe has closed shops on Sunday, worker protection.

  You need strong laws to not have businesses abusing and pressuring peoples to work the shity 14h shift till morning for earning a peanut.

  And workers protection law + North America are not often put in the same sentence.

  Also it’s generally not worth it business wise. Paying salaries and more from 2 to 4 (or 6am or whatever) to sell two beers means losing money. You might have a few festive nights here and there, but most of the weeks/months you’ll have an empty bar.

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  • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Allowing bars to stay open is not the same as requiring them to stay open. Owners won’t keep a bar open 24 hours if there isn’t any business.

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    • Skunk@jlai.lu ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I know that, but some might pressure you to work the night shift “or…”

      People living around bars also want to be able to sleep sometimes.

      Closed bar also means less drunk people in the streets. In my city you cannot buy alcohol “to go” in shops after 9pm and bars close at 2.

      After that if you want to continue partying you go to night clubs.

      Anyway, a wise drunk dude once said “nothing good happens after 2”, and from experience he was right.

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      • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Closing means you have all the drunks dumped out on the street at the same time to have a fight. Stay open later, let people leave on their own staggering out out more.

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      • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        But Doug Ford’s mandate is to keep people drunk.

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  • zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The same reason half of Europe has closed shops on Sunday, worker protection.

    That sounds more like countries enforcing a religious preference (day of rest on Sunday for church) than worker protection. I suppose it could be branded as secular, but so can France’s ban on wearing hijabs in the name of laïcité.

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    • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nah, it’s definitely a worker protection ting. Sure, it has religious origins, which is why it’s specifically on Sundays, but that’s not why we keep it in place. It’s pretty widely supported that we should have one day per week where most shops are mandated to keep closed, and nobody sees a good reason to make it any other day than Sunday, so we’ve kept it on Sundays.

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    • helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Ehh, maybe it started of as a religious thing, perhaps why Sunday was chosen specifically; but the idea of forcing everyone to have a day off is wonderful.

      In the us, there’s no federal law limiting the number of days people have to work. Some states have a 1 every 7 days rule. But that’s not specific enough, for shift schedule work, they can set you off day to be Sunday this week, and Friday next week so you still get to work almost 2 weeks in a row.

      IMO, it should be (regardless of number of hours worked) on day 6 your pay is 1.5x, and day 7 is required off. After 8 days its 2x pay, +2 days of paid vacation time - 8 hours or your typical shift length (which ever is larger). (then doubling everyday after)

      • With a signed agreement between you, HR, your boss, whomever is “in charge”/owns the company and the labor board with exact documentation explaining why you have to work so many days in a row and why the job can’t wait a day or someone else can’t fill in. Failure to do this step results in x5 back pay for everyday worked after 6. Doubling everyday after 8.

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• bitchkat@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  They only state they can stay open until 4am. It doesn’t mention what time they reopen. My sister’s bar opens at 6am or so. Supposedly for night shift workers.

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  • MintyFresh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I used to be that night shift worker. I was so grateful for that one bar in town that opened in the morning. Nothing like ending the work week with a bloody Mary at sunrise!

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• SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Because there is good data showing extended drinking hours have higher rates of violence and drunk driving. No one is getting refreshment at 4am, they are getting shit faced.

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  • bobzer@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I reserve the right to get shitfaced at 4am.

    So glad I don’t live in a nanny state.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Really? I heard the opposite, kicking everyone out at the same time results in them fighting more because you have a load of them all at once.

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  • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Nah, there’s no way soccer fans getting shithoused for hours on end while watching a friendly match would ever get rowdy. /s

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• Karmanopoly@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  There needs to be games at 6am though

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    There are other reasons to go to the pub. Half of the ones I go to don’t even have screens. Though they are also not places I would want to go at 6am. They would probably choose not to open at that time anyway.

    My point is the government shouldn’t be dictating the allowed opening hours. Regulations on staff working conditions is totally fine so having staff working 18 hour shifts is clearly bullshit, but if you want to hire enough staff to cover opening hours like that then you should be allowed to.

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    • TrippingBalls@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      That’s sounds like some crazy libertarian stuff

      Give people the liberty to choose? Nvr gonna happen

      It makes easier for the Dui quota if they can force alcoholics to get on the road at the same time

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      • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        “crazy libertarian stuff” = business owners should be able to pick their own opening times?

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  • zeroConnection@programming.dev ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    So a late shift worker cannot go to a bar to enjoy a pint after work, because he finishes at 4 and there are no more games this late? What logic is that?

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  • 9point6@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Why?

    If a venue sees it as worth it to deal with the calibre of piss-head you get at 6am, have at it, I say

    Local businesses get to make more profit and the government gets more tax from consumption duty

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  • Signtist@bookwyr.me ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We’ll just have the leaving late-night crowd play against the arriving day drinkers crowd.

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    • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s 8am, Barry arrives for his first morning pint and sees Dave stumbling out after his last pint of the night.

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