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neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Why is ivermectin always the cure to every disease? My grandmother has tumors and my mom mentioned getting her ivermectin. Wtf am I missing here?
FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 days ago
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Healthy as a horse and all, right?
Addv4@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Honestly, my suspicion is that you can easily get the stuff. I’ve gotten it for my dog once or twice (it’s a lot cheaper than dog dewormer, despite basically being the same thing), and all you have to do is go into a Tractor supply or the like and it’s right on the shelf, no restrictions or anything. This is in contrast to actual medicine, where I have to go to a CVS or the like to pay an overpriced amount for something that is more regulated, and might even be a bit of a placebo effect in the first place (look at flu meds for an example of that).
All of this mostly seems to speak more to the degrading of the American healthcare system due to costs ballooning beyond what some of the poorer in society can afford, so they are more willing to try folk remedies that may or may not work. And in the case of your grandmother, is she gonna risk paying a lot of her life savings to cure her tumors if they aren’t benign (without a guarantee that it will work), or is she just gonna hope that the $10 treatment might make her feel better? If they’re benign, then the $10 treatment “worked”, and if they’re not, then she’ll get expensive treatment anyway, just probably be in a worse position to get it.
fox@hexbear.net 3 days ago
- Ivermectin is a legitimate miracle antiparasitic
- Early in the pandemic, some researchers showed you can neutralize COVID in vitro with ivermectin. The dose is more than enough to kill a human.
- Trump announced he was taking hydroxychloroquine (antimalarial/antiparasitic) to prevent COVID infection during the pandemic
- A group of crank doctors saw an angle and at a Senate hearing announced ivermectin as a wonder drug that prevents COVID infection entirely
- Right-wing influencers like Joe Rogan took the ball and ran with it, infusing further anti-vaccine ideas into the movement
- The sleeper class, who don’t pay attention to medical news and get most of their understanding of the world from the influencers they follow, submersed in America’s simmering broth of reactionary beliefs and distrust of authority, pick up the news that ivermectin prevents COVID during the Delta spike, when fears soared.
- To a certain class of people, having their beliefs questioned is inherently hostile. Everyone telling them to not take ivermectin only makes them more stubborn about it. Ivermectin is also really easy to get a hold of because it’s a common veterinary drug and pretty easy to find if you’re rural.
- Those people infect their social networks further with ivermectin bullshit, because people will trust their friends more than they trust authority.
And so, five years after we conclusively know ivermectin doesn’t help with anything but parasites, you still find people who believe in its global efficacy, which has become greater and greater over time in reaction to more and more proof against it. Because the believers are stubborn reactionaries.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 3 days ago
The problem is that there are a bunch of studies that have proven that ivermectin can prohibit rna viruses from replicating in cell cultures to an impressive degree. The main problem is that ivermectin isn’t very water soluble, and thus there is no way to deliver the drug to the targeted cells.
It’s what happens when you develop assumptions based on a study when you don’t really understand the relevant field of the study. It also makes it hard to disprove to people who have read studies that in their mind allude to it as an effective treatment.
Is ivermectin an effective way to controll the replication of rna viruses in a laboratory setting? Yes, amazingly so. Does that mean we can extrapolate upon that claim and assume it would be effective to treat humans? Absolutely not.
I imagine in the next 5-10 years ivermectine will be used as a treatment for rna viruses. However, that will require someone to find a way to turn it into an inhaled medication or some kind of nanosized medication that can be given intravenously.
restless@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Don’t forget the number of people who take ivermectin in response to getting sick and immediately start seeing an improvement of symptoms… Because they’ve been full of parasites for years or decades leading up to that point and getting rid of them improves their health, completely independent of the virus they caught. Then they associate ivermectin with feeling better so it had to be interacting with the disease they took it in response to.
RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 days ago
It’s just one of the tenets of belief from the orange man conspiracy cult. They joined that cult and chose their special secret conspiracy “facts” to believe in.
Infamousblt@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Big Horse Pharma has their tendrils in more places than you would expect
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Morons
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 3 days ago
It’s honestly a pretty astounding medication that’s been proven to prevent rna viruses from replicating in cells, and has some pretty cool anti-inflammatory properties. The main problem is that it isn’t very water soluble and thus has horrible bioavailability. Basically, it would be as miraculous as people claim it to be if we can find a way to effectively deliver it to the treatment site.
Right now if you take it it primarily just runs through your digestive tract because it can’t be absorbed into your blood stream. Which is why it’s currently only useful as a dewormer medication.
CrispyFern@hexbear.net 3 days ago
Akasazh@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I mean it cures worms in horses, so it must be omnipotent
piccolo@sh.itjust.works 3 days ago
I did some limited research on this and there are a few studies that suggest ivermectin could disrupt tumors from forming. But certainly not enough evidence to suggest using it for that purpose given the risk of adverse effects.
gibmiser@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Someone told them NO. You cant do that.
That made them feel mad and feel stupid.
Then someone told them that they were right and that someone else was actually the stupid one.
Then they felt better.
Better than better, they now have the secret knowledge and everyone else are the stupid ones.
Starduster75@lemmy.world 3 days ago
This is the formula for modern society (esp. social media).
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Religion too.
Starduster75@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Yeah, I pretty much mean it is the formula for human cognition.