chill
no one is treating you as a rapist and murderer theyre just saying that what was mentioned (powerful people abusing vulnerable people from vulnerable groups) is mostly a straight people thing
Comment on A handy graphic to bring you up to speed on the Katy Perry/Ruby Rose situation.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 18 hours agoThrowing a whole group of people in there with the actions of some idiots is a tiny bit rude.
Signed, a straight man who kind of likes not being treated as a rapist and murderer.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 17 hours ago
They are talking about a trend with straight people, not accusing every straight person of being a rapist. Rule of thumb, if someone critiques an identity that you are a part of and the critique doesnt apply to you then its not about you. Coming in and saying this type of shit makes you seem like an asshole who isnt listening to marginalized peoples’ struggles.
Like for example I hear houseless people complain about nurses and doctors a lot because they tend to assume they are dope-seeking. If I was a nurse, I would listen and do my best not to be the kind of person they are talking. I would not tell them “You should stop generalizing, cause I don’t do that.” It feels very invalidating and makes you come off as very self-centered.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
drunk straight women love to SA queer women
That is a very general statement. I really dislike like such blanket statements. Because what is the difference between that and statements like “black people are dumb”, “Mexicans are drug dealers”, or, yes, “straight men are rapists”?
if someone critiques an identity that you are a part of and the critique doesnt apply to you then its probably not about you
If someone critiques a whole identity, they should either make sure that it applies to all or at least the overwhelming majority of that identity, or be prepared to be called a bigot and prejudiced.
Comrade_Spood@quokk.au 8 hours ago
Read my reply to walk_blessed and you’ll get the nuance. I explain how its different from white supremacists generalizing black people.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
So, your argument is, some of those groups are actually oppressed, therefore, it is inappropriate to throw in some of the actually oppressed groups in the same bin as obviously non-oppressed ones?
Yeah, that is a fair point, I guess. In retrospect, I should not have done this, if only because it distracts from the original argument, and I can see how it can be read as “look at me, a non-oppressed person, I am soo oppressed”. You live and learn, I never had the intention to make this about me, or any group I may be in.
I believe that my original argument, while maybe not exactly presented in the best way, still is valid: blanket statements against a group, any group, are bad. Some are worse than others in the context of how society treats them, sure, I agree with that.
im_just_a_gerbil@thelemmy.club 18 hours ago
what are you talking about about bruh no one said anything about straight men. eye roll
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
Then let me rephrase it, because I forgot it’s the internet and people will try to misunderstand me.
As a member of a non-specified group X, I would hate it if people would precondemn me based on thing Y, which a part of group X does more than the average population.
Based on this hypothetical, yet relatable thought experiment, saying that a group does a bad thing because some people who happen to be in that group do that bad thing more often than other people is at the very least rude.
im_just_a_gerbil@thelemmy.club 17 hours ago
uhhhhh no one misunderstood what you were saying - thank you for bringing the conversation back to what matters, the struggles of the most victimized group of all time. make sure you let every queer voice on the internet know what we should focus on. i really appreciate it thanks so much <3
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 11 hours ago
This might be complex, but bear with me.
If someone steals 100 euros from Alex, and someone steals 2 euros from Bob, both are victims, even though Alex lost much more.
And it just so happens that the solution for both is exactly the same.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
My bad, I thought you were arguing in good faith. easy mistake. But apparently I hate queer people now.
So this is not addressed at you, but at other people who might read this:
The example of me being a straight man does not matter at all. I could have picked any other group. The solution to a society that is oppressive to some (like homosexual women) is not applying the same rhetoric of oppression and stereotype to groups that are more likely to do that oppression (like heterosexual women).
mika_mika@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I mean, I get it’s inappropriate to be like “what about men”. It’s pretty clear they are talking about blanket judging straight women for Perry’s actions. “Not ALL straight women” - ya see?
In my experience though, they lean towards harassing gay men over queer women. 😅
Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 hours ago
frfr it’s crazy, nobody said anything about men but he still had to drop in a “not all men” anyway. these fuckin’ “people”
sen@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
We’ll MAYBE you should have thought of that before being a straight man.