Peaceful?
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bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
China: persues peaceful reunification with Taiwan
The West: "LOOK!!! THEY’RE WORSE THAN US!!! invades nation illegally
Okay budy
teslasaur@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 3 weeks ago
“”““peaceful””“” with a country that wants independence.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Yes, that’s right. The Chinese Civil War never ended, the KMT and the CPC never signed a peace treaty. The fighting stopped because there was no way to take back control of Taiwan without high casualties - on both sides. Since then, the CPC have been committed to taking back control of Taiwan peacefully. At the moment, the people of Taiwan continue to support independence - but also the One China Policy, which recognizes that there is only One China. The CPC wants to re-unify, but rather than doing that by force, they just maintain their position and encourage peaceful reunification. But there are still moments of tension, of course, each tests the responses of the other, the limits of their radar, and so on. But people aren’t dying.
By contrast, the US is carpet bombing Iran, at the behest of Israel, because Iran threatens Israel’s lebensraum ambitions to turn the Middle East into Greater Israel. You really believe China is still as bad as the US? Seriously??
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 3 weeks ago
bro, they have said over and over they want to invade, and the Taiwanese don’t want to do nothing to do with China anymore, specially the young ppl, they want to be their own thing.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
They’ve actually said the opposite, again and again, that they want peaceful reunification. They haven’t ruled out force, because they’re a sovereign state, and a sovereign state never renounces their ability to use force over the territory they claim. The opposite side does the exact same thing for the rest of China, too.
the Taiwanese don’t want to do nothing to do with China anymore, specially the young ppl, they want to be their own thing.
That’s great! Then they can and should remain peacefully independent, but if that ever changes in the future, then perhaps they can re-unite, assuming that the CPC remains open to re-unification at that point.
Objection@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
“”“a country”“” here meaning about 5% of the people in a country.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 3 weeks ago
100% of the people in a country with everything you would expect a country to have and a strong Taiwanese national identity.
Objection@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
100% of the people in a country
Citation really fucking needed lmao.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
There is no ‘Taiwanese national identity.’ The KMT eradicated what was left of the native Taiwanese population (to be fair that genocide was started by Japan, like nearly all genocides in East Asia). There are no native ‘taiwanese’ left, just primarily han chinese that invaded, eradicated the native population during a civil war, and declared themselves the last bastion of China.
Godric@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
peaceful reunification
This is top tier trolling, I can’t XD
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
From the [Associated Press]:(apnews.com/…/china-taiwan-cheng-xi-9735f829b2d9d6…)
Taiwan’s opposition leader met Friday with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Beijing’s Great Hall of the People, the first such encounter in over a decade, with both sides affirming the need for maintaining peace around the self-ruled island that China claims as its territory.
Both Xi and Cheng Li-wun, the head of the Beijing-friendly Kuomingtang Party, reiterated they wanted to move toward a peaceful reunification of Taiwan and the mainland, though it remains unclear how they would achieve it. China hasn’t ruled out the use of force and has stepped up its military exercises around Taiwan, sending warships and fighter jets closer toward the island and steadily poaching Taiwan’s few remaining diplomatic allies.
Xi welcomed Cheng and her party’s representatives in the Great Hall of the People, where he usually meets world leaders, to a round of applause from both sides. “The larger trend of compatriots on both sides of the strait walking nearer, closer, and together will not change. This is a historical necessity. We have full confidence in this,” he said.
“Although people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait live under different systems, we will respect each other and move towards each other,” Cheng said, adding: “We will seek systemic solutions to prevent and avoid war.”
This is just the reality on the ground. Neither party wants war. The PRC reserves the right to millitant reunification, but is currently working towards peaceful reunification and simply waiting it out, until Taiwan wants it. The PRC has the luxury of time, here, as the PRC continues to rise economically and the US Empire continues to fall, it will only make more and more sense for Taiwan to want to further integrate with the mainland economically. Until then, the people of Taiwan want the status quo, and the PRC is fine to wait it out and continue to push for dialogue.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
First off it’s the opposition leader, not the president, who is vocal about Taiwan remaining sovereign. Second, if I threaten someone with annihilation, and they say “hey we can negotiate peacefully,” and I say sure I’ll negotiate but (in that article) “war is not off the table,” I as the person threatening them with annihilation am not being peaceful here.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Taiwan is governed by the remnants of the former Chinese government, back when they were nationalists. Chiang Kai-Shek and his group fled to Taiwan, murdered the local opposition, and claimed they were still the legitimate government of all of China. The question isn’t if Taiwan is a part of China, but which government is legitimate.
Over time, this has been complicated by the US Empire using Taiwan as a forward operating base. Some want a clean break, some want further integration, but now the majority want the status quo. What is deeply unpopular is war. Taiwan does not want to become Ukraine 2, they do not want the US Empire to provoke a hot war just to damage China at the expense of Taiwanese people.
The CPC in all of this knows that the US Empire is failing, and that Taiwan will be increasingly pressured economically towards reintegration. All they need to do is wait, and they get what they want without firing a shot.
cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
The president of Taiwan was elected with a minority of votes because the two opposition parties that support closer relations with the PRC could not agree on a joint candidate to run. In the Taiwanese legislature the KMT actually holds more seats than the president’s party.
Also the PRC is not threatening Taiwan with annihilation. That’s just absurd. The PRC’s position is that it doesn’t want foreign countries interfering in Chinese political matters. If you didn’t know already, the US intervened in the Chinese civil war in order to defend a fascist dictator and has continued to give the RoC military support ever since. The PRC keeps the military option open as a deterrent against further US intervention not because it’s planning to invade.
0x0@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
as the PRC continues to rise economically and the US Empire continues to fall, it will only make more and more sense for Taiwan to want to further integrate with the mainland economically.
Taiwan has TSMC, they don’t need China.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
You can’t pin your entire economy on a single company in a single sector, especially when your performance isn’t certified forever.
harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Alright, Winnie The Pooh’s anal pinworm.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
“I already decided you’re wrong, but I can’t argue with facts, so I’ll insult you instead. I rest my case.”
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
The person they’re arguing with linked a state owned Chinese tabloid as evidence for their points. I don’t blame for not engaging.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Again, can you elaborate? I think you’re replying to the wrong comment, harambe69 hasn’t been arguing with anyone, they just posted a somewhat racist comment and left. What “state-owned tabloid” has anyone linked that discredits them entirely?
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
I’m the person they’re arguing with, and no I didn’t? I wouldn’t even know where to find a Chinese tabloid and I’ve never read one!
ManixT@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
China: Doesn’t even consider Taiwan’s right exist and is forcing their unification with aggressive military incursions in their territory.
Tankie like you: ALL WEST BAD, ONLY CHINA GOOD AND EVERY VALID CRITICISM IS WESTERN PROPAGANDA.
Okay, buddy.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
“ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME MUST BE A TANKIE!!!”
I’m not a Tankie, and you can check through my entire comment history to easily confirm that. I just can’t help but notice that people have been saying “China is about to attack Taiwan any day now” for years and it never comes. Maybe they’re just not as bad as us?
ManixT@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The fact you think china is pursuing peaceful unification kind of outs you. They are not giving Taiwan a choice; comply or face death.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Israel: does a genocide
China: flies a plane near a country they’ve been at war with for over 70 years
Liberals: “hmm yes these seem about the same to me”
zqps@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
People have been saying that about Russia for many years until it happened.
Unlike Trump, most leaders aren’t rushing into things. They wait until conditions are favourable, and there are an incredible number of conditions to take into account for operations like this.
bearboiblake@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Other people wrongly believed that Russia, despite having already invaded Ukraine in 2014, that Russia would not invade Ukraine again, for some reason. I am not those people. I am pointing out to you that they have had those favorable conditions already, a number of times, and no invasion ever came. If you want to believe that they just have just one more condition to take into account before invading Taiwan, you have the right to believe that.
But the United States is far worse, and that was my entire point. I don’t want to defend China. Fuck China. But the US has done imperialism for centuries at this point
zbyte64@awful.systems 3 weeks ago
You don’t have to be a tankie to recognize that they are enforcing international law. In that context of a civil war their actions are uncharacteristically peaceful.
0x0@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Perhaps
Really? Sources please.