With a denser atmosphere, wouldn’t that mean that you could get more lift from a traditional aerofoil than on earth? And if so, wouldn’t that technically make it easier to start from a high enough altitude that at least some of the gravity is mitigated?
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gami@piefed.social 3 weeks ago(Not a rocket scientist or mathematician, but I spent 100s of hours playing KSP RP-1)
Just doing some estimates using data from the wikipedia page:
The dV (delta-V) needed to get into low Earth orbit is around 9.4km/s.
The dV for K2-18b might be around 19km/s, more than double that of Earth’s.
It’s practically impossible I think, you would need such a massive launch vehicle. For double the dV, you would need exponentially more fuel assuming current rocketry tech (fuel+oxidizer tanks and engines). There wouldn’t be any single-stage or two-stage rockets that could do this. With a 3 or 4 stage rocket maybe? But you would be sending nearly 100% fuel off the launchpad with virtually zero payload.
I tried to factor in:
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- Atmospheric drag - K2-18b’s atmosphere is quite dense with a huge radius:
The density of K2-18b is about 2.67+0.52/−0.47 g/cm3—intermediate between that of Earth and Neptune—implying that the planet has a hydrogen-rich envelope. […] Atmosphere makes up at most 6.2% of the planet’s mass
Since the atmosphere is so thick and takes up a lot of mass, I’ve picked 500km as the low orbit altitude (comparing to Earth’s ~100km Karman line, it makes you appreciate how thin our atmosphere is ).
Rotational assist - I’m assuming it’s tidally locked since it orbits so closely to its star (33 day years), and so you wouldn’t get the assist from rotation like you do on Earth:
The planet is most likely tidally locked to the star, although considering its orbital eccentricity, a spin-orbit resonance like Mercury is also possible.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
That’s what i was thinking - the dense atmosphere might even allow for platforms which are permanently suspended in the air like an inverse submarine, offsetting a large amount of needed fuel for a space launch
bufalo1973@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Let’s say you do the same on Earth. If you fly to the top of the atmosphere you are 100 km above the ground. That’s a 1/60 of the distance to the center of the Earth¹. You don’t have to fight air resistance but gravity is almost the same, if I’m not wrong, less than 1% of difference.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Yeah I realized that right after I made that comment. If the gravity is strong enough to hold a gas on the planet, it’ll definitely have a prominent effect on something denser like a solid.
matsdis@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Check out the “tyranny of the rocket equation”.
Or ask Randall Munroe How many model rocket engines would it take to launch a real rocket into space?
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Build a large enough magnetic rail launcher and you could save shit tons of fuel. Get a ship doing 2000 mph before it leaves the ground and needs its rockets and you’ll have a pretty good head start.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Could even take a scramjet to the upper layers of the atmosphere before kicking in the chemical propulsion
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
I mean, that’s kinda still just adding on weight and another “stage” to the rocket. A scram jet hauling a rocket ship will use tons of fuel.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
I thought scramjets were supposed to be really fuel-efficient? Just launch them with your gauss cannon idea so that they don’t need much fuel to get up to speed.
Maybe you’re right about the weight though. I’m not an engineer.
M137@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
You don’t have to launch from the ground, there are many things that can be done to allow them to reach orbit. It’ll be an enormously bigger undertaking but the physics doesn’t make it impossible. No reason to think of it in terms of our current situation either, what we are behind our current science when it comes to rocket science, due to waves at everything else
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
tidally locked
Wouldn’t that be a non starter for life? One side would be perpetually baked and the other would be frozen.
makyo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I guess there could be a planetary Goldilocks Zone in the dusk area
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I figured that area would be full of extremely violent megastorms due to the heat differential.
makyo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh interesting that is a good point
jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Kerbal Space Program is such an amazing game that secretly teaches you physics.
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gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
those are the best!
PlexSheep@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
I’m stealing this
jballs@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Nice. It’s from XKCD if you want the source.