Comment on Save me from going down a dark path

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• Vupware@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I strongly disagree. As someone who broadly detests religion, I know that the mere act of praying can act as self-confrontation that is otherwise inaccessible in many cases.

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• BygoneNeutrino@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think it’s important. Most of the people in AA aren’t religious, but the “program” wouldn’t survive if it lacked structure. People use the religious terminology, but most of them don’t believe it.

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It works for some people, so its useful. You can call is pseudo science if you want, nobody cares if its science. They just want something that works.

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  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    “it works for some people” so does electric shock therapy.

    So does lobotomy

    So does electroshock therapy

    So does sleep deprivation

    So does solitary confinement

    So does brain washing

    … and so on. They all “work for some people”.

    Not a good barometer for success. Your logic is horrifying

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    • 1984@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      My logic is just fine. Im wondering how yours are, if you think science is the only way to measure if something is useful to a human being.

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      • kofe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m confused what you’re saying science would say is useless. Having meaning? Cuz that’s well supported in psychology. There are many ways to develop meaning in our lives. Science is just a method that helps us figure out what is effective. Spirituality can be effective in helping to form meaning, sure, but people need alternatives if or when it fails.

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    • BanMe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Doing nothing doesn’t do a damn thing. It should be one tool in a toolbox. AA is not like the other things on there, just like CBT isn’t like those things, just like medication isn’t like those things. GP1s just landed in the medication toolbox. Addiction is incredibly complex and includes a spiritual component. If you don’t like how the program does it, go start your own alcohol treatment protocol, hell a global network of meetings and instant support, and see how far you get. I’m super eager to see it.

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      • kofe@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’ve already mentioned this in another comment, but SMART Recovery is a secular alternative that does host virtual sessions if anyone’s looking and can’t find something local. They’re pretty well established in multiple countries now. They’ve also got the website and mobile app with evidence based skills. DBT also has skills targeting addiction. The main reason I think AA can be effective (though its less than a coin flip chance iirc) is due to the community aspect.

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