That’s just being healthy. I’d hardly call that a fad diet
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U7826391786239@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
i lost ~50 lb last year just by intermittent fasting and walking more. actually i stopped eating processed junk too
Flyberius@hexbear.net 2 weeks ago
U7826391786239@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
some people look at me in horror if i say i’m skipping dinner tonight and breakfast tomorrow, or god forbid, not eating until day after tomorrow– they absolutely think it’s a “fad” and that i’m going to die immediately if i don’t eat burgers and fries ASAP
i don’t know where you are, but where i live, skipping a meal or two is like… spitting on jesus or something
AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Almost like the only “scientific knowledge” you need is to burn more and take in less.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
“Just stop being depressed and enjoy life”.
People are overweight because something in their diet, psychology or physiology overrides the natural desire to stop eating when they’ve had enough calories. As long as that thing isn’t addressed, trying to use willpower to overcome it can easily lead to burnout and disappointment. Sometimes raw willpower works, but most people who are overweight have tried that and found it doesn’t work for them.
Those people aren’t failures, they just happened to have a problem that didn’t eliminate itself when using willpower. If your problem is the chemicals in fast food, then stopping fast food by willpower can solve things, but if your problem is pica for some vitamin deficiency than stopping fast food by willpower will not solve things. People that stop by willpower alone are lucky, nothing more.
So most people who are overweight do in fact need more scientific knowledge, or better environments, or both. A pedestrian-murdering hellscape isn’t great for getting enough exercise. Micronutrients, letting your stomach rest, avoiding blood sugar spikes and dips, metabolism-affecting drugs like caffeine, stress eating, etc can all affect things.
And because people can’t just get up and move to a pedestrian-friendly area, or because vegetables are twice as expensive as meat per calorie, or because their job requires them to sit still for eight hours, they want to try the messy imperfect solutions that do as much as possible in their limited environment.
I can well believe that intermittent fasting works better than “burn more eat less” for someone with the unnatural lifestyle of sitting in an office chair for hours straight. The traditional 3 meal structure was built on a society where people did lots of physical labor throughout the day every day, so just trying to eat less in those 3 meals doesn’t change the fact that your body needs far fewer calories at certain times than that diet frees up, and the same goes for exercising outside of work hours.
oxideseven@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Just addressing one part of this.
Veggies aren’t a primary source of calories, when trying to reduce calorie intake and eating healthy. Veggies are there for other important reasons. You focus on beans, lentils, and other legums for calories. Meat doesn’t even come close to their value. Rice, while having it’s own problems, is also more calories per dollar by far.
xep@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
You should consider looking into the bioavailability of nutrients from meat vs legumes when factoring in value for money, also.
Krudler@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You seem to be conflating 2 different things.
There’s the mechanism which is excess calorie intake v expenditure, and then there’s the reasons for the excess calorie intake. It’s dangerous to blend these because doing so mostly platforms excuses and denial of personal responsibility among obesity sufferers.
Tiresia@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Oh no, reducing people with eating disorders’ sense of personal responsibility for their disorder. What a nightmare that would be.
Next up, let’s yell at someone with anorexia for throwing up in the bathroom!
homoludens@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
That’s a bit like saying “In order to run faster, you need to make longer steps and more steps per minute”. It’s obviously true, but the hard part is how to do that.
AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Measuring how many calories you eat in a day is literally the simplest form of managing your own nutrition.
Tracking how many calories you burn is likewise something so accessible a child can (and frequently does) do it.
What is so difficult to figure out, again?
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
What’s difficult is keeping with it.
My weight has fluctuated from a low of 180lbs to a high of 450lbs throughout my entire adult life.
I know what to do. I know it’s easy to do it.
The hard part is knowing that the second I stop counting, it all comes piling back on.
It’s incredibly discouraging to know that most people can just…live. They eat when they’re hungry. They don’t constantly have a voice in their head telling them to eat when they aren’t. They don’t use sweets for emotional support or stress relief. They can leave food on a plate when they’re full. And they feel full with reasonable portions of food.
Moreso, they aren’t riddled with anxiety whenever their fat ass is on display out in public doing exercise.
I had an elderly woman at physical therapy tell me I’m the biggest man she’s ever seen. You know how upsetting that is? Like, no shit, I know I’m fat. And sure she likely has no filter because of dementia but man it still burns.
Zephorah@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
It is complex. There’s a mix of biology & psychology. Some people eat because they’d die if they didn’t. Others, for pleasure. Still others, it’s the only pleasure they experience in a day.
What do you do when the dopamine hit only occurs when you eat?
Some people drown anxiety in alcohol or xanax addictions. Others do it with food. The problem there is you can’t detox from food and remove it from your life.
Dig into some of the research nuggets, in this area, it’s wild stuff.
In addition there’s work to try to parse out some answers by studying cats. Why is one of your cats a behemoth while the other is a normal weight, both eating the same food from the same bowl?
homoludens@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
So the people struggling to lose weight just don’t actually want to lose weight? There are no psychological factors involved at all, no hormones, genetics, environmental factors, education - nothing to figure out?
bizarroland@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Actually, your BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate) can change.
What you see online is based off of your age and your height and your weight, you should burn approximately x number of calories per day.
But people with thyroid issues and hormone issues and metabolic irregularities can actually burn less or more than the standard BMR listed on the internet.
To find out your true BMR, you have to go and get tested.
That being said, what you should do, ideally, is trust what the internet says about it, and then, if you find yourself having problems losing weight, then go and get your BMR tested. There are many sports medicine places that have the testing equipment that will do it for fifty to a hundred dollars, and you can find out that if you deviate from the norm. For instance, I burn about 200 calories less than my BMR says I should.
So if I’m eating 500 calories under that on my diet, I’m only burning 300 calories a day.
And if I eat specifically the number of calories my BMR says I should be allowed to eat and maintain my weight, I’m actually putting on 200 calories every day.
Lumidaub@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Intermittent fasting is a framework for how to organise that. If you don’t need a framework, good for you.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
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