Speaking as someone who isn’t a juggalo, it’s clear that the subculture represents a lot more people than just the ones who identify with it. Like with Punk, a lot of outsiders don’t look past the aesthetic to realize that they’re trying to convey an important social message and be a voice for disenfranchised groups. They aren’t just people in clown make-up, they’re people who were fucked over by society and this is the outlet they found. Sadly it’s easier to laugh at memes about magnets than to confront their reality.
I’d include the rap subculture as well but sadly their message became diluted when they achieved mainstream success and were co-opted by the marketing amd propaganda machine as another tool to perpetuate the Spectacle.
I grew up around quite a few as they are pretty common in the Middle West especially middle and low income areas. Aggressively inclusive is a pretty good description of the subculture’s values. There’s some bullshit like anti science and anti education, but it comes from the elitism and exclusivity of those institutions which is a problem in public outreach and inclusiveness in academia. Most of the juggalos I’ve met just want to do drugs, listen to horrorcore rap, and watch wrestling, but I’ve also met some that can’t stand any of those things but just celebrate the stuff they do like instead of degenerating other people and their aesthetics.
I grew up around a lot of juggalos. The music is kind of just a small part of the culture, it really is an entire culture, one based on acceptance of anyone. At least in the 2000s there wasn’t anything else like that. Old heads gatekept punk, they had officially declared punk was dead. Metal was mainstream. Eminem was the only “credible” white rapper because he had street cred from Detroit. If you didn’t feel like you fit in, the jaggalos were there saying you’re welcome here. If you decide to call yourself a jaggalo, then you are, and you’re apart of the family. No integrations about what music you’ve listened to your whole life, when you got into a specific scene, what socioeconomic background you have.
And yeah your second point about rap is 100% true. I saw $uicideboy$ come and go. I remember in like 2014 they were underground, I really fucked with them. They made over 500 songs, had a huge following for the time, and were doing great. Then they signed onto universal to release iwtdino or whatever in like 2018. Never felt more betrayed. I really fucked with yung lean too, but he straight up said he was going to sell out. He was gonna get money. I respect that. $B are just corpo shills now acting like they’re underground while being the most mainstream corpo rappers to exist currently.
Rave was the same way until it also got pulled mainstream around 2007/2008
Before that we had assholes like Joe Biden trying to outlaw it by saying proving water to patrons was “encouraging drug use” and classifying any clubs that did it as “crackhouses”
That shit was my church and they burned it. I stand in solidarity with Juggalos.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
ICP is based as hell:
“I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG
Out here pretending like you ain’t offendin’
I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG
You redneck judges with racist grudges
I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG
If you gotta tattoo, I’m aimin’ at you
I SAY FUCK YOUR REBEL FLAG
You get punched in your faces reppin’ the racists”
Peruvian_Skies@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Speaking as someone who isn’t a juggalo, it’s clear that the subculture represents a lot more people than just the ones who identify with it. Like with Punk, a lot of outsiders don’t look past the aesthetic to realize that they’re trying to convey an important social message and be a voice for disenfranchised groups. They aren’t just people in clown make-up, they’re people who were fucked over by society and this is the outlet they found. Sadly it’s easier to laugh at memes about magnets than to confront their reality.
I’d include the rap subculture as well but sadly their message became diluted when they achieved mainstream success and were co-opted by the marketing amd propaganda machine as another tool to perpetuate the Spectacle.
Godort@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I am also not a Juggalo, but every one that I have met has been kind and accepting to an aggressive degree.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I grew up around quite a few as they are pretty common in the Middle West especially middle and low income areas. Aggressively inclusive is a pretty good description of the subculture’s values. There’s some bullshit like anti science and anti education, but it comes from the elitism and exclusivity of those institutions which is a problem in public outreach and inclusiveness in academia. Most of the juggalos I’ve met just want to do drugs, listen to horrorcore rap, and watch wrestling, but I’ve also met some that can’t stand any of those things but just celebrate the stuff they do like instead of degenerating other people and their aesthetics.
SillyDude@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I grew up around a lot of juggalos. The music is kind of just a small part of the culture, it really is an entire culture, one based on acceptance of anyone. At least in the 2000s there wasn’t anything else like that. Old heads gatekept punk, they had officially declared punk was dead. Metal was mainstream. Eminem was the only “credible” white rapper because he had street cred from Detroit. If you didn’t feel like you fit in, the jaggalos were there saying you’re welcome here. If you decide to call yourself a jaggalo, then you are, and you’re apart of the family. No integrations about what music you’ve listened to your whole life, when you got into a specific scene, what socioeconomic background you have.
And yeah your second point about rap is 100% true. I saw $uicideboy$ come and go. I remember in like 2014 they were underground, I really fucked with them. They made over 500 songs, had a huge following for the time, and were doing great. Then they signed onto universal to release iwtdino or whatever in like 2018. Never felt more betrayed. I really fucked with yung lean too, but he straight up said he was going to sell out. He was gonna get money. I respect that. $B are just corpo shills now acting like they’re underground while being the most mainstream corpo rappers to exist currently.
4am@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Rave was the same way until it also got pulled mainstream around 2007/2008
Before that we had assholes like Joe Biden trying to outlaw it by saying proving water to patrons was “encouraging drug use” and classifying any clubs that did it as “crackhouses”
That shit was my church and they burned it. I stand in solidarity with Juggalos.
cybervseas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The show Workaholics some years back did a juggalo episode and it was eye opening.
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I love some Fago moon mist to this day.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Same goes for metalheads
FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
CoC goes hard.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thats actually from Confederate Flag off of the missing link album, but your original statement is correct CoC is awesome.